Damn you non SF user thieves!!!! 

Just look at Linux last 10 years.
You guys do a better job than paid employees beceause its what you realy want to do.
As soon as the $ comes in 2nd proprity comes in.

Same for sports stars.

Have any of you ever looked at the cover art on the back of your BF2 box?  What's that you see?  Oh that's right, that would be the Blackhawk that wasn't EVER in the game.  But it's on the BACK OF THE BOX!!!  This may be a small point, but it is blatant and obvious proof that EA/DICE weren't being completely honest to us.

As for the vocal minority crap, in 2002 the voter turnout for USA federal elections was approximately 37.0%.  So I ask you, what would happen if the US discounted the voters that showed up as a VOCAL MINORITY, and just assumed that they should run their own show because the MAJORITY of voters didn't vote (therefore assuming that the MAJORITY agreed with everything the gov was doing because they didn't care enough to try to change things)?

Think about it.

EA needs to seriously reconsider their business practices because lying to their consumers isn't a fair way of doing business.  Promising us one product, but giving us a much crapier version that is missing most of the features is seriously f*cked.

Think about it this way.  If you went to a car dealership and the dealer promised you a sunroof, AC, a CD player, and the ability to modify the engine to make it run the way you want, and then when the car was "ready" you realized the sunroof wouldn't open, the AC was leaking coolant, you could only get the radio on the CD player, and you couldn't tune the engine without breaking it.  How would you feel?  Okay, so you take it back and the dealer offers to fix it.  He takes months to fix it, charges you a lot of money to make repairs and to add the features that you supposedly already purchased, and when you get it back it won't go over 55 mph because they took all of the engine power to make the CD player and the sunroof work, the AC coolant still leaks, and if you try to tune the engine....you just end up breaking it.  How would THAT make you feel?  AND THEN....when you take it back again to complain, the dealer tells you that most of the customers who bought the car just dealt with its fualts so he considers you as a VOCAL MINORITY, and promptly tells you that the dealership doesn't support your car model anymore because they are moving on to something "better", so he tells you to buy the new "better" car if you aren't satisfied with the old one that he lied to you about repeatedly.

whew...

How you like them apples?

Could make it a Half life 2 mod...but it would lose the large scale battles like the battlefield series is know for. But yeah, definetely buying 2142 solely for this mod. So if you guys dont finish it, you owe me $50. lol

Don't worry 'bout map size, look at how the fellows over in ES2 mod did it.

ArcAngel227 wrote:

I love bf's feel. Say what you want about ea/dice, but they can make some great games. Even if support and bugs suck.

Yeah me too, its so sandbox. And when you get a good team, cant beat that. I can't really complain from the games aspect, besides all the bugs, cheaters, and what not. Battlefield's are great games.

Although.... Quake Wars seems to be a big rip-off of the Battlefields, if they supported modding, which they usually (eventually) do, that'd be another perfect game for this mod.

Sandbox? It's not close to sandbox compared to many mods for other games.

I love bf's feel. Say what you want about ea/dice, but they can make some great games. Even if support and bugs suck.

Yeah me too, its so sandbox. And when you get a good team, cant beat that. I can't really complain from the games aspect, besides all the bugs, cheaters, and what not. Battlefield's are great games.

Although.... Quake Wars seems to be a big rip-off of the Battlefields, if they supported modding, which they usually (eventually) do, that'd be another perfect game for this mod.

FSDev| Woodrow wrote:

    If their games were free then I would agree with that statement.  But when they promise a bunch of features then get us to all rush out and buy the game, only to discover that 30% of the features are actually in it and the other 70% you have to pay extra money to get, are broken beyond belief, or won't exist at all regardless of their promise, then you can't help but want to complain a bit.  And when thousands of us complain for well over a year and instead of fixing them they bundle up those promised fixes and features into a brand new game (still ignoring our more-than-minority voice) to make even more money, you definately feel a bit more than angry.

Absolutely Woody. I've decided to stop buying EA game products  because they are seriously beggining to destroy the video game world. They're sucking up more and more game companies, and making them follow ridiculous commecial guidelines that are ruining the buisness. All we can do, like you said, is stop buying their products. Unfortunately, we know that organizing a mass boycott of EA products is not such an easy task. And that holds true for anything these days.

The ONLY reason I'm getting 2142, is because you guys are making FS. If that mod didn't exist, I wouldn't even think twice about 2142.

I think it is a shame that talented people like you and your team are limited to mod tools and SDKs since I think that you could really do some amazing stuff with "an own engine". 
I would not be surprised if BF2142 has no mod support at all since mod servers do not bring the extra money EA wants from its comercial and ranked server hosting deals.

they gonna support mods, cause they know when they support mod, it extends the life of their game, and more money for them too of course

Well America's Army is gonna use the Unreal 3 engine

thx a lot

If their games were free then I would agree with that statement.  But when they promise a bunch of features then get us to all rush out and buy the game, only to discover that 30% of the features are actually in it and the other 70% you have to pay extra money to get, are broken beyond belief, or won't exist at all regardless of their promise, then you can't help but want to complain a bit.  And when thousands of us complain for well over a year and instead of fixing them they bundle up those promised fixes and features into a brand new game (still ignoring our more-than-minority voice) to make even more money, you definately feel a bit more than angry.

Sounds like Oblivion.... that evil Pete Hines promising us horse armour and then taking it away and making us pay for it. EVIL. Even if it is only a couple bucks for each of the official oblivion downloads, it's not worth it.

Without a ton of cash, the number of freely usable engines out there is limited.