You know what? This whole argument is pretty retarded. Either way, if you can't bail or can, it's barely going to effect gameplay. I'm done talking about it.

You can't punish people for someone else's stupidity - and mods that do that are really not helping themselves. This is what the no bailing situation basically means. Points, at the end of the day, DO matter, they do provide people with a feeling of achievement ingame, and something that no one has mentioned...negative scores do provide one way to be kicked.

To be brutally honest about this, we either live with bailers, smacktards etc who will find a way to abuse things regardless (you aren't gonna stop kamikazes for example), or we have a game that is overly nanny state like that could end up being not that fun to play.

People will do things you don't like no matter how hard you try to stop them: Learning to live with them is part of being a well rounded person.

Schtop, it's not ready!

So people who are about to die will simply suicide, instead of bailing.

Exactly what I was going to say. But it is kinda hard to press enter and press suicide when your getting shot down...

If u go with "if u dont know him, dont join him" that wont make for a very good teamplay really.. Maybe take away the points being reduced when suiciding to able people who're scared for a - sign next to they're score to suicide to start over..
Im all for no bailing!

So people who are about to die will simply suicide, instead of bailing.

Is it currently aBig deal in BF1942 BF2 and BF2142, plus BF vietnaam, Special forces, the 2 booster packs, and BF modern combat on the consoles?

Not to mention any other online multiplayer game that has vehicles that carry more than 1 person?

So you get in with a Sucky pilot, so what you die you loose a point, If you can't Fly good yourself your resigned to getting in teh bakc and hopeing their a good driver, It's teh same in real life. For every car, bus, tram, Train, areoplane, Boat, Submarine, monorail, rickshaw, Taxi cab, Tandum Bicycle or rocket ship, etc do you ask for their driving Capabilities? and proof you won't die On route?

No,  You take your chances, Except in the game You can respawn, In life you can't, Hopefully this puts this silly argument into perspective

'this message was brought to you by the nanny culture society of the united kingdom, in assosciation with the united states of america.'

haha now see that in a real war "Omg this pilot is a smacktard, oh well, up with the ol knife o' cut"

Preach there are otherways a ship can be abbanded in space then simply bailing, if the pilot is shot through the windscreen, or if the pilot presses suicide.

ALL vehicles have a time to live if abandened.

I agree with Preacher and UnCo...

Why is there such a dilema about this?

If you get into a ship with some moron who can't fly, well you've learned your lesson haven't you? And have you forgotten that points don't really matter? If your really scared about getting in with a pilot that sucks, well tough, don't get in with people you don't trust then.

And if you guys really want to get petty about it... Make it so the gunner can switch to the pilot seat, but the pilot can't switch to the gunner seat. That way, if the pilot dies (shot through glass) you can switch to the front and fly away, however that would be physically impossible since the cockpits are WAAAY too small.

And also the whole "gunners should be able to bail" thing is retarded because the cockpit only has one hatch keeping the pilots safe from the outside, if one guy leaves, the hatch must open for both of them, and both guys would have to get out. Rebels don't wear stuff to protect them from the outside anyways, ever seen a oxygen mask on them while they're cruisin around in the movies? No.

ALL vehicles have a time to live if abandened.

simple solution, No bailing. Jees.

But what if you're stuck with a smacktard and you're in the gunner seat? You shouldn't be forced to 10 minutes of watcing your pilot do loops and barrel roles, and it isn't right to force someone to suicide themselves just to get away from an idiot.