First Strike Forums — Just a quick lore question

Re: Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (THX-1138) — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:36:57 +0000

yeah, and then Kamino got wasted and that was the end of that chapter.

Cept for all those cloning cylinders stashed on Wayland. But no one'll ever find those, right? I mean, we left a crazy Dark Jedi clone to guard them!

Re: Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (generalrievous) — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:16:05 +0000

there is also the reason that the kaminoins themselves after the formation of the empire they started to clone another army to defend kamino against Imperial control

Re: Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (THX-1138) — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:42:36 +0000

I do recall that another reason for the non-clonage of the stormtroopers was that you can only make so many clones from the same genetic sample, so for each new generation you had to get a new sample from Fett, and Fett was dead -- and you can't clone from a clone because then the material is unstable.

My source for stating the Royal Guards as GeNode clones, with individual personalities and memories, unaware of their existence as clones, is the Crimson Empire series.

Re: Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (Demonic) — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:45:54 +0000

THX-1138 wrote:

Well -- yes and no.
Yes, because the Elite Royal Guards were "Geo-Node" Clones, meaning that they were all identical clones of each other, but not of Jango Fett at all, and they had implanted memories and identities so they didn't know they were clones.
No, because a) stormtroopers after a certain date weren't clones any more, as Jango's genetic material was basically degraded and you couldn't copy any more from that source and b) the Royal Guards existed before the Clone Wars (since they're in Episode II).
So I guess it's the same answer as when people ask if the stormtroopers were clones:
Depends on which Royal Guard you're talking to - maybe, maybe not.

Well, partly true...they were not clones of Fett, and as you say neither were the vast majority of stormtroopers after Episode 3. And the Imperial Guards did not exist prior to the empire, however, the Senate's Guards (And Supreme Chancellor's guard) did, and the latter were who they adopted the Uniform off, though arguably they were only a renaming of the Red Guard anyway.

Depending on what you refer to, Stormtroopers later weren't clones for one of a couple reasons, either its to do with an insurrection on Kamino, or the sheer lack of needing them to be a cloned force anymore when you have the population of the majority of the galaxy to draw recruits from.

Anyway, there is only a single piece of evidence to say they were clones, and quite a lot to say they weren't. And the fact they have been described as being "Hand picked" and "some are latent force sensitives" generally implies any clones amongst them were the exception rather than the rule.

Re: Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (TY2D2) — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:31:03 +0000

lol

http://yodaownsguards.ytmnd.com/

Wow they are skilled.

Re: Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (generalrievous) — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:16:19 +0000

well they had some special training with the emperor to reach force sensativity this however does not mean that he taught them how to block force powers any apprentice will tell you that no sith shares their power completely not even palpys former master

Re: Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (Safe-Keeper) — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:07:03 +0000

'Force Sensitive' doesn't necessarily mean 'able to kick Yoda's pie'.

Re: Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (FSDev| Dutch_Razor) — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:25:57 +0000

I said slightly

Re: Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (Wrafe) — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:01:41 +0000

They werent force sensitive when Yoda pwned their asses in EP III when he approached the emperor

Re: Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (FSDev| Dutch_Razor) — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:05:57 +0000

They were handpicked from the Stormtrooper corps, and were often slightly force-sensitive.

As such they usually weren't clones I presume.

Re: Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (THX-1138) — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:21:50 +0000

Well -- yes and no.

Yes, because the Elite Royal Guards were "GeNode" Clones, meaning that they were all identical clones of each other, but not of Jango Fett at all, and they had implanted memories and identities so they didn't know they were clones.

No, because a) stormtroopers after a certain date weren't clones any more, as Jango's genetic material was basically degraded and you couldn't copy any more from that source and b) the Royal Guards existed before the Clone Wars (since they're in Episode II).

So I guess it's the same answer as when people ask if the stormtroopers were clones:

Depends on which Royal Guard you're talking to - maybe, maybe not.

Just a quick lore question

null@example.com (sgt. fuzz) — Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:57:19 +0000

Were the Emporer's Royal Guard(the red guys) clones like other stormtroopers?