First Strike Forums — The Derelict

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (gaurd502) — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:14:42 +0000

I am sorry i forgot paragraphs,and it is quiet long.But the ship wouldn't actualy start moving,the game would end if the imps capture all the cp's on the ship before the rebals take the one commander post in the bridge.Them re-activating the ship would them just be capturing all of the command post before the rebals,and if they could,add a time they have to hold all the cp's on the ship.I don't know if this is what you thought I meant,or if that the ISD was going to start moving?

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (Stardestroyersarecool) — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:29:09 +0000

Eyes.....bleedeing.....need..paragraphs. But seriously thats a bit over adventurous. I know what your saying but I doubt it would work. Even if it would work it would take a very long time to get it right.

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (gaurd502) — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:18:20 +0000

i think it would be a great map.I think that it would be realy cool not to have just another space map ,but one were you could land in the ISD, but i don't think thier sould be a hole right in the middle .I think it would be cool if the astoroide grazed the side of the ship,so it would look normal almost from one side if u look at it from a flat view not top or bottom,but one one side like and sorta half-circle(im trying to get u guys to visulize this)with destroyed ties and stormtroppers all floatin around and stuff.it could be all crippled and mangled,bent metal around this point and stuff,and you could fly through this whole to reach inner parts of the ship,and if it just grazed the ship,the whole ship would not be intierly destroyed,I think it should be the imps job to try to reach critical pionts in the ship to try to re-activat enough of it to to repel the rebals,and get the ship out of the asterod field,The prolem with this though 1.How would you be able to find a spot to exit the landing craft,if the ship is de-activated,therfore,if u get out,your in opean space,and,waht happend to rest of the crew,I think this is one big problem,a star destroyer is not a shell around a large hanger,it has to be in sections or something,it not just a huge space inside,so if it was hit bye and asteroid thier should still be some troops inside,so i think the rebals are trying to get to the back end of the ship and bridge and stuff,to look for importatnt info or something,and the imps can spawn ethier in the bridge of the ship,or in the ships coming to recover the de-activatted ISD(what are the emps goign to use to try to recover the ship?firgats?),so the emp is trying to hold off the rebals long enough to re-acticvate key parts of the ship,so the ship can function on a minimal level,and the rebals are trying to board the ship,take imporatnt documents abord the ship BEFOER the emps reactivate it ,so the emps also have to try to keep the rebals away from the ISD,Ihope i got everything,wish you guys could see the pic i got ot this in my head, It hink this will be a cool map(even w/out my idea) but for the ISD I do NOT INTEND IT TO MOVE the level will be complete when the empire reactivates the ship(mabey gain the ability to use turbo laszers after so far) so it would be the ISD with command posts in them and the only one the rebs HAVE to capture is the bridge,but thety can also cpature the other ones too.So Empire= get all command posts and hold them for a certin amount of time(re-activate the ship,they win) Rebs= capture bridge of the ship)lesser victory,If they capture all of the command posts,liek the EMPS objective) they win a better victory) thats it any questions???

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (Stardestroyersarecool) — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:51:24 +0000

Im not saying the asteroid couldnt pass through the sd, im saying that it would do more damage than make a hole. It would probably smash it in two or something.

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (Safe-Keeper) — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:20:25 +0000

BTW - I'm an amateur astronomer and I know a thing or two about celestial objects, the physics involved, especially the physics behind momentum and forces in space. A rock, the size of a baseball - travelling at 32000mph in space (not uncommon), can rip through 10 feet of steel and keep moving as if it hit soft butter. Might have a few cracks in it, but it'll still be a rock - the size of a baseball, moving at 32000mph - give or take a few hundred mph for the previous impact.

Read an article about it in a popular science magazine that arrived in my mailbox the other day. They showed pictures of satellites that looked like they'd been pelted by machine gun bullets - while in reality they'd been hit by tiny rocks going really, really fast.

They also showed pictures of lab experiments, and it was amazing what seemingly harmless little nylon balls could do to thick sheets of lead when fired at sufficiently high speeds.

asteroids in asteroid fields dont travel at these speeds though.

Oh yes, they do.

Anyway to think like newton would probably be a mistake as he was half crazy.

But this really doesn't matter, as science is not politics - you don't have to be sane, consistent, moral, etc. in science the way you have to be in politics. All you have to do is present testable evidence and show through experiments that they hold water.

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (yultemsee) — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:56:02 +0000

asteroids in asteroid fields dont travel at these speeds though. Anyway to think like newton would probably be a mistake as he was half crazy.

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (Mr.Fork) — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:01:35 +0000

Some of you guys don't know much about space, physics, and the potential for damage just like Norton explained. IF and asteroid was moving fast enough (and there are some in our own Solar System that are) can punch a hole in a Star Destroyer and keep on trucking like it ran into a wall of rain. So this kind of damage is feasible and realistic. Great idea Norton!

BTW - I'm an amateur astronomer and I know a thing or two about celestial objects, the physics involved, especially the physics behind momentum and forces in space. A rock, the size of a baseball - travelling at 32000mph in space (not uncommon), can rip through 10 feet of steel and keep moving as if it hit soft butter. Might have a few cracks in it, but it'll still be a rock - the size of a baseball, moving at 32000mph - give or take a few hundred mph for the previous impact.

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (Lance Haith) — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:36:58 +0000

^_^ Sorry about my digression! SD assume that the ISD isn't built with explosives... ships are known to be able to surivive large collisions. The ISD could definately survive specifically if its crew had procedures to ensure survivability. *DONE*

Okay so I have one idea:

Make this into an objective map. The ISD will need to be destroyed by internal detonations since the Imps do not have to ability to destroy it with thier ships. Their will be a various amount of "weak points" to the Structural Integrity that boarding parties place Det Packs on (I would imagine once these areas a hit a peice of the ISD would break off killing anyone left in that section).

The Rebels have to get in and defend these locations!

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (Stardestroyersarecool) — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:24:16 +0000

ok sounds like a good map.

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (Safe-Keeper) — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:47:24 +0000

Anyways, whenever SD is done talking about the physics of asteroid impacts, could we get on to talking about the actual map, please?

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (Stardestroyersarecool) — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:41:42 +0000

Lance Haith wrote:

Le sigh it kills me to see the butchery of Physics...
Structural Integrity only matter if FORCES are acting on an object. This ship is derilict, is under no acceleration, and is not close enough to a gravitational force that is large enough to destroy it. Therefore even if its SI is down to nothing (which it is not as ISDs are rock solid) it wont just inexplicably collapse on itself >_>. Please... think like Newton would SD.

I would assume the sd was moving when it took a hit, also structural failure as a result of explosions. And another possible force is the actual impact of the asteroid.

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (Lance Haith) — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 02:35:53 +0000

Le sigh it kills me to see the butchery of Physics...

Structural Integrity only matter if FORCES are acting on an object. This ship is derilict, is under no acceleration, and is not close enough to a gravitational force that is large enough to destroy it. Therefore even if its SI is down to nothing (which it is not as ISDs are rock solid) it wont just inexplicably collapse on itself >_>. Please... think like Newton would SD.

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (Emperor Norton I) — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:16:33 +0000

Its a rugged shaped hole. This is scifi, logic and the laws of physics are secondary as long as the situation isn't too freaky.

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (yultemsee) — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:19:28 +0000

yeah i see what you are saying. would be fun to fly through the middle though

Re: The Derelict

null@example.com (Stardestroyersarecool) — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:05:40 +0000

Im not saying they cant knock chunks off im just saying they cant leave circular holes in the middle of a ship without causing structural failure. It would make more sense for it to be a chunk taken off the side of the sd instead of a hole in the middle.