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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Need a hardware upgrade...]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yes Athlon.. not state of the art, but will probably still be able to run most games for the next 3-5 years. <br />At least that was the case with my last build.&nbsp; P4 2.8, Asus p4p800e deluxe, Nvidia 6800gt.<br />Still runs alot of games, including Bf2142, at about medium quality settings.. Even played crysis, at a whopping 10fps. not bad for a 5 year old rig. <br />I allways look to GPU, and Memory.. to upgrade first.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Slimshiesty]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-20T15:08:10Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Need a hardware upgrade...]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131074">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6813131074</a><br />Striker does 2 way Sli<br />Oddb@ll and myself both bought 8800gt cards and he came around my house and we tried Sli on an old Asus K8n32 mobo I had. I think I recall we where using the 169.19 driver on a Vista OS. The results where a little disappointing (around 10% increase on 3DMark06) The drivers have got better and also so has Vista since then so maybe It might be worth considering, but it wasn&#039;t back then</p><p>As you say Slimshiesty, anything we buy will be out of date, or rather not state of the art as I prefer to think of it, in around 6/12 months. So my advice still stands that if your gonna upgrade buy a graphics card first. Throw it into your old system and if not blown away by the perfomance increase (in games) continue to upgrade the rest. You have nothing to loose really</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Athlon]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-20T11:08:24Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It gives you an approx. 35% performance increase.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[TIEpilot234]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-19T21:23:11Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve heard SLI is useless atm because you don&#039;t get THAT many extra frames from it or something.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[TY2D2]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-19T20:45:12Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Athlon, <br />Apparently you have money to buy whatever you want computer wise.<br />Why dont you send a few bucks my way...going to try SLI for the first time. <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /><br />Do asus boards support Sli ?&nbsp; what oc stuff is in the bios for that board..<br />I know that i can oc my board to 1333/1600 mem/fsb if needed.<br />If im getting 70-120 fps in games , am i really gonna notice 10-15 fps more?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Slimshiesty]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-19T20:21:38Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>like i said , no matter.. there both trash within the year.<br />Intel Nehalen processor... 6 and 10 core processors within 10-12 months.<br />were both left with recyclable materials.<br />I still prefer the EVGA step up program.. buy a card today.. upgrade to the newest greatest in 3 months.. and pay a small percentage of it. Motherboards too for that matter.<br />The akimbo cooler option for the 8800gt is a nice option.. dual slot cooler that expels air outside the case.<br />My comp still has excellent temps for air cooling.. with cpu load temps rarely exceeding 35c, and gpu averaging about 55c under load.. its rated to 90c to begin with .. so temps are not a problem.</p><p>Pay less now.. and have money to build a new one later when prices on ddr3 stuff comes down.<br />and then save money there too.<br />Just cause you have the money doesnt mean it cant be wisely spent.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Slimshiesty]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-19T20:12:06Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Part 3<br />Core 2 and quad cores love bandwith. 1333 memory delivers it&nbsp; buckets which cancels out the need for lower latencies<br />Part 4<br />8800gt expells it air into the case, the 8800gts doesn&#039;t (which suited me, i did have a 8800gt but swopped it) Hows the overclock gonna run in the hot summer months? Its already a pretty hot running card stock<br />Part 5 <br />you know how to overclock as do I doesn&#039;t mean everyone does or could even be bothered<br />Part 6<br />Future proof yourself. The new mobos and processors want 1333/1600 memory to run as intended. Buy your 4 gig of DDR2 with DDR2 mobo now and throw it in the bin come next year/ upgrade</p><p>No offence taken, &quot;speed is a matter of money, how fast can you afford&quot; Seems to sum most things in life up <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /><br />PS Gainward have been making cards for years and their &quot;Golden Samples&quot; are some of the best money can buy</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Athlon]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-19T19:10:12Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Price per performance. Part 1</p><p>Corsair mem running at 1333 speeds stock 9,9,9,27 timings.. 4 gigs = 514$ u.s.<br />Mushkin mem running oc&#039;d from 800 to 1066,&nbsp; 4,5,4,11 timings.. 4 gigs = 96$ u.s.<br />decent gain @ 1333, but twice the latency and 418$ more expensive.<br />my setup of mushkin is 1066@ 2.1v timings 5,5,5,15&nbsp; super stable.</p><p>Part 2</p><p>Gainward Bliss 8800gts512&nbsp; 259$ u.s.&nbsp; good card, not so good manufacturer. good price.<br />EVGA 8800gt512&nbsp; 190$ u.s.&nbsp; same card as the GTS and same mem.&nbsp; can be oc&#039;d to and past the GTS with 1 mouse click.&nbsp; EVGA best in business warranty and 1st of its kind step-up program.</p><p>Conclusion</p><p>For all the increases you get with the Athlon version, You can get the Slimshiesty version, save 487$ u.s.<br />Still use your old power supply (in theory).<br />and only spend 284$ u.s.<br />with the savings from those 2 items.. you can get..<br />EVGA 750i FTW mobo&nbsp; 190$<br />Intel E6850 3.0&nbsp; 260$<br />and still have some money 37$ left over.</p><p>Please dont take offense to this post Athlon, you have a great system, anyone in there right mind would want.<br />Mine is slightly different but is still on par with yours.<br />Just showing price per performance.. anyways in 10 months both our systems will be obsolete.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Slimshiesty]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-19T17:14:49Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so I&#039;m not recommending any specific hardware, but what I&#039;m doing, is trying to save his computer from blowing up once he puts all that new squeezey pooh in there(Though its killing me, as he deserves it).</p><p>He&#039;s going to need a new PSU. 400W will defiantly not work for a GTS.</p><p>If he&#039;s to stupid to understand that, then so be it...</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-04-19T13:51:39Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>As he said stick with the program. He made no referance to price so I&#039;m recommending the hardware i&#039;ve got and works well. DDR3 may be expensive but the price is dropping all the time and its the future <br />My memory:<br /><a href="http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-134-CS&amp;groupid=701&amp;catid=8&amp;subcat=923">http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … subcat=923</a><br />My mobo:<br /><a href="http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-252-AS&amp;groupid=701&amp;catid=5&amp;subcat=946">http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … subcat=946</a><br />My processor:<br /><a href="http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-156-IN&amp;groupid=701&amp;catid=6&amp;subcat=793">http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … subcat=793</a><br />MY graphics card:<br /><a href="http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-056-GW&amp;groupid=701&amp;catid=56&amp;subcat=927">http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … subcat=927</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Athlon]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-19T09:30:34Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention any motherboards that will support DDR3 will be overpriced too.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-04-19T03:11:09Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>DDR3 mem is overpriced right now.. give it time to come down.<br />I suggest many places online to shop.<br />Most will have some kind of shipping special..free 3 day shipping, some places give you an amount off if paired with other items.. like Tiger motherboard/cpu combos. those can save you anywhere from 20-100 bucks.</p><p>If your power supply is not more than 3-4 years old, is a good quality brand (antec,PCPaC)<br />is 450watts and has an 18v rail.. you will be ok to use that.<br />Definately research what you want, price per performance is the question.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Slimshiesty]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-18T21:52:23Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>FSDev| JayBiggS wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I was forced to buy a new video card yesterday (old 7950GTX finally crapped out, POS) and I picked up the eVGA e-GeForce 8800GT superclocked 512mb for a good price. I&#039;m sure you could find it for less than I paid. Anyway, GREAT card. Runs crysis all very high(xp tweak) at a very very consistent framerate, looks beautiful.</p></blockquote></div><p>So would you say coupling a new card to an older system gave you noticable performance boost in games?<br />Ty Buy the best 1333 core 2 duo you can afford matched with a 1333 fsb motherboard and 2 gig DDR 3 memory and a 8800/9600GT card. You do the shopping, after your last post i hope your power supply blows it all up!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Athlon]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-18T16:47:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I forgot I had this 8800GTS in my favorites...<br /><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6814130082</a></p><p>...I ended up buying this 9600GT, which was a little more expensive but had a unique cooling system and came with a free game.<br /><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127333">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6814127333</a></p><p>What are the pros and cons of each?&nbsp; I&#039;m really not sure which is better.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Suriander]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-04-18T01:50:59Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I was forced to buy a new video card yesterday (old 7950GTX finally crapped out, POS) and I picked up the eVGA e-GeForce 8800GT superclocked 512mb for a good price. I&#039;m sure you could find it for less than I paid. Anyway, GREAT card. Runs crysis all very high(xp tweak) at a very very consistent framerate, looks beautiful.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-04-17T23:37:17Z</updated>
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