First Strike Forums — Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (Gwynzer) — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:12:48 +0000

Circle fights... pah. If I find myself in a circle fight, and I know there are allies near, I'll start flying in a straight line taking random but not big turns and jinks so my allies can fly up behind my enemy and blast them.

Someone said something about the Turbolaser seats being ordered. I can't play Yavin well as I have the Vista + nVidia bug, so I stick to Turbo's when I am imps. What is the order? I've never figured it out...

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (CRAYOLA) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:09:35 +0000

Safe-Keeper wrote:

I mean, what do you want us to do, implement mind control?

Mind control would be AWSOME... but you already said no force powers.

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (Safe-Keeper) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:04:24 +0000

I've never understood people who complain about circle fights. If you don't like flying in circles... don't fly in circles. You're not supposed to dogfight that way, it doesn't produce kills, and since people complain about it between the circle fights they willingly engage in, they obviously don't like doing it. So... why?

I mean, what do you want us to do, implement mind control?

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (Luke SkyRaper) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:53:27 +0000

Thats why those non-flying types dont become real pilots and kill people.
Personally Iv always been a flier, and ever since Descent was released in 1996, Ive seen the difference in people who can handle it or those who get vertigo in a rocking chair.

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (MrMonkey) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:58:24 +0000

Alreech wrote:

A.k.a "those who suffer from space sickness" - the people who leave the server during space maps because they have problems to orientate in a 3D enviroment.

No, those who don't like spinning around in circles for long periods of time or being destoryed and having to fly all the way out there again or those who don't like being in the exact same kit/vehicle as everyone else.

If the guy want to take out the turrets being effective on Yavin then the rebels need to only have 10-20 ticks, in order to be more lore accurate

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (Alreech) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:16:36 +0000

Burner wrote:

Destroying turbolasers isn't hard but TIE-fighters won't let you do it easily.

It's not a bug, it's a feature !

Safe-Keeper wrote:

because some people don't want to fly fighters.

A.k.a "those who suffer from space sickness" - the people who leave the server during space maps because they have problems to orientate in a 3D enviroment.

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (Safe-Keeper) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:22:18 +0000

Turbo Lasers are only dangerous if people don't target them. Pop a pair of torps into one and it blows, leaving the local deflection towers or trench undefended.

Burner: Turbo lasers need to be "mannable" and effective, in part for balance reasons and in part because some people don't want to fly fighters.

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (Burner) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:13:17 +0000

MrMonkey wrote:

They shot down atleast one of Lukes wing mates I thought in one of the movies...

1 isn't 20. It was a lucky shot.

Destroying turbolasers isn't hard but TIE-fighters won't let you do it easily. TL shouldn't be accurate enough to disturb fighters efficiently. This is the weakness of the Death Star.

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (Luke SkyRaper) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:27:31 +0000

On the imps side, I always manage to kill lots of flying things with the turrets.
On the Rebel side, we usually descend on the turrets and pick them like grapes.

I use a trac-ball so turret aiming is gravy.

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (Alreech) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:51:50 +0000

Burner wrote:

Turbolasers should be useless. They are made to kill capital ships. They kill nothing in the movie. I'm annoyed when I see it making 20 kills.

Take them out with a X-Wing, they are sitting ducks. The few remaining AI-Only Turrets are not a great danger.

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (MrMonkey) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:30:01 +0000

Burner wrote:

Turbolasers should be useless. They are made to kill capital ships. They kill nothing in the movie. I'm annoyed when I see it making 20 kills.

They shot down atleast one of Lukes wing mates I thought in one of the movies...

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (Burner) — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:36:11 +0000

Turbolasers should be useless. They are made to kill capital ships. They kill nothing in the movie. I'm annoyed when I see it making 20 kills.

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (BirdmanGA) — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:41:41 +0000

The turrets were apparently added to prevent players from just sitting there waiting for the deflection tower to be destroyed so they can just get the shot off... I would suggest moving the turrets out of the trench but near the exhaust port so that they can't shoot in the trench but they can hit people waiting out of it... also, how would the tie's be able to enter the trench freely from anywhere?

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (Canadiens1160) — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:21:02 +0000

The solution is pretty simple:

*add an invisible collision mesh to the open top of the trench
*it's one-sided, so fighters can exit the trench at any time but can only enter at a specific area which can be indicated on the mini map

That way players are forced to make an attack run properly.

Also all turrets should be removed from the trench.

Re: Discussion: The Battle of Yavin, who needs a trench?

null@example.com (BirdmanGA) — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:20:44 +0000

its a bug that they're working on. When the turrets fire automaticly, they don't have a projectile. Which makes it really aggrivating for making the trench runs alone... they kill you right as you fly over...