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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Alreech wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>No difference to now.<br />The 24/7 nerds (if they don&#039;t play 24/7 Karkand / Gibralatar Inf only) take the vehicles, and because they are playing 24/7 you don&#039;t have a chance against them.<br />But a 24/7 chopperwhore only ranks up for a chopper, if he wants to play a other vehicle he should it first have to play it free.</p></blockquote></div><p>why would a chopperwhore get into another vehicle?? <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />&nbsp; and that is nearly impossible to code that with this engine i think<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Imperial Convoy Raid works fine with even 32 Fighters per Side...</p><p>A BF2 Map in the same style would also work well, like the AiX Map RedDawn does work well.</p></blockquote></div><p>imp convoy raid is a fighter only map xD<br />but i mean when u r playing a map like gulf of oman 64p, and each side with 8 jets, the infantry won&#039;t survive long with all the bombing going on, even now with 2 fighters per side it&#039;s unbalanced</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well, you do get double points for a kill in the area you SL has an order placed now....</p><p>It would be nice if you got that double for when you place the &quot;Move&quot; command as well, since battles don&#039;t always take place at points.</p><p>I think you also get double points for healing/repairing/rearming squad mates, unsure on that one tho.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-03T14:48:06Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t like stats because they demote teamplay. It would be nice if you got points for being near the SL and such. The amount of points earned for anything should be increased. </p><p>So rather then 50 points being a high score for the round 300 points would be a high score.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-03T11:26:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Remember how we all hated vanilla's stat feature?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>TY2D2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If I cared about stats, I would&#039;ve stopped playing SL a long time ago... Carrying a squad to victory doesn&#039;t get nearly as many points as mowing down the enemy with an E11/A280.</p></blockquote></div><p>You <em>can</em> do both, you know <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Had a fantastic time yesterday on that Tatooine map...whats it called? something...ine. Was imps-my squad held the lower flank until we got pushed back to cliffs. The amount of squadplay then was staggering, medic-ing, resupplying... and a whole lot of firepower keeping the rebels stuck down in Slave quarters.</p><p>In the end we lost that game by a narrow margin because the other flank fell, but we got some serious pointage, and lots of fun.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-03T09:16:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Remember how we all hated vanilla's stat feature?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Omabroodje wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>naah, when u apply the commander thingy on vehicles, only the 24/7 nerds will get to play with teh vehicles. when u are a gamer that doesn&#039;t have lot&#039;s of time to play, u will never get into a vehicle and vehicles are one of the best things for the bf series.</p></blockquote></div><p>No difference to now.<br />The 24/7 nerds (if they don&#039;t play 24/7 Karkand / Gibralatar Inf only) take the vehicles, and because they are playing 24/7 you don&#039;t have a chance against them.<br />But a 24/7 chopperwhore only ranks up for a chopper, if he wants to play a other vehicle he should it first have to play it free.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>and the 8 jets for each side will get a lot of balancing problems</p></blockquote></div><p>Imperial Convoy Raid works fine with even 32 Fighters per Side...</p><p>A BF2 Map in the same style would also work well, like the AiX Map RedDawn does work well.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-03T07:19:04Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Remember how we all hated vanilla's stat feature?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If I cared about stats, I would&#039;ve stopped playing SL a long time ago... Carrying a squad to victory doesn&#039;t get nearly as many points as mowing down the enemy with an E11/A280.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-02T18:46:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Remember how we all hated vanilla's stat feature?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Alreech wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>While teamkilling for a vehicle is not a problem in FirstStrike, BF2 would benefit from a system there you must apply to a vehicle like to the commander.<br />If more players apply to a vehicle, the player with the highest rank in this vehicle would get it.<br />(I know what were are to few maps with enough fighters for all, so the fighterwhores will allways get a jet- but this could easily fixed with some Aircombat maps with 8 jets for each side, so each player has a chance to make his &quot;golden wings&quot;.)</p></blockquote></div><p>naah, when u apply the commander thingy on vehicles, only the 24/7 nerds will get to play with teh vehicles. when u are a gamer that doesn&#039;t have lot&#039;s of time to play, u will never get into a vehicle and vehicles are one of the best things for the bf series. </p><p>and the 8 jets for each side will get a lot of balancing problems</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-02T18:41:45Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Flippy Warbear wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are stats now? Oh well, doesnt affect me. I play FS because it is a good mod.</p></blockquote></div><p>HI 5!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-02T17:40:16Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Straider wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Safe-Keeper wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I wonder how many people run around going &quot;Hmmm, those tanks are really chewing our troops up. Pity I have to stick with this sniper rifle to get the sniper badge&quot;, or &quot;Repairs? Nah, I have that badge already, and I need to get that damned Tank Hunting badge&quot;.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yeah but in FS you get like +150 points for a badge. and you can get the badge multiple times. So why not stick with repairing when&nbsp; youre good at that or whatever.</p></blockquote></div><p>For badges you only get the points once.&nbsp; You can get the badge multiple times tho.&nbsp; &nbsp;Had like 8 Heavy Weapon badges before but score did not nearly match it.</p><p>If their were Silver and Gold improvements on the badges tho, that would be nice <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-02T15:18:47Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>There are stats now? Oh well, doesnt affect me. I play FS because it is a good mod.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Flippy Warbear]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-02T15:04:57Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I just like the feeling that when I leave the server, I&#039;m part of something greater.</p><p>Plus, I&#039;d eventually like to write a script similar to the stat tracking one that keeps track of space map stats, sort of a squadron roster sheet.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-02T14:36:58Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Remember how we all hated vanilla's stat feature?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Safe-Keeper wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I wonder how many people run around going &quot;Hmmm, those tanks are really chewing our troops up. Pity I have to stick with this sniper rifle to get the sniper badge&quot;, or &quot;Repairs? Nah, I have that badge already, and I need to get that damned Tank Hunting badge&quot;.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yeah but in FS you get like +150 points for a badge. and you can get the badge multiple times. So why not stick with repairing when&nbsp; youre good at that or whatever.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-02T14:36:36Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t dislike the stats, and i don&#039;t hate them.</p><p>In BF2 and BF 2142 the stats / ranks have a puorpose:<br />To select wich player makes commander.<br />To give achievments ( look at X-Box live) to the players to keep them longtime motivated<br />To give expired playes acess to special weapons (the G3 Battlerifle in BF2 needs more skill than the normal Assault Rifles)</p><p>It&#039;s true what BF 2 has some bugs in the stats system &amp; unlocksystem, like some UEBER-Weapons.<br />BF 2142 has fixed most of the bug in this system.<br />BF 2142 shows also what the fieldupgrade system is a better way to promote Teamwork than stats.</p><p>As benefit for me as player:<br />If i want to invite a player to my clan / buddylist i can look at his stats.<br />Players who gets kicked and banned often or play regular on suspect servers (like &quot;24/7Knife &amp; Pistol&quot; or &quot;BIG-POINTZ_StAtsPaDiNgl33t&quot; <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> ) or have their stats reseted won&#039;t become part of my clan / buddylist.</p><p>For a good Stats / Rank system i think teamwork should be rewarded in the way the BF 2142 Fieldupgrades work.<br />Points for succsesfully following order, more points for teamwork near objectives with orders (like healing near &quot;defending a flag&quot;), extra carrier points for mebers of the best squad.</p><p>While teamkilling for a vehicle is not a problem in FirstStrike, BF2 would benefit from a system there you must apply to a vehicle like to the commander.<br />If more players apply to a vehicle, the player with the highest rank in this vehicle would get it.<br />(I know what were are to few maps with enough fighters for all, so the fighterwhores will allways get a jet- but this could easily fixed with some Aircombat maps with 8 jets for each side, so each player has a chance to make his &quot;golden wings&quot;.)</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-02T14:20:33Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many people run around going &quot;Hmmm, those tanks are really chewing our troops up. Pity I have to stick with this sniper rifle to get the sniper badge&quot;, or &quot;Repairs? Nah, I have that badge already, and I need to get that damned Tank Hunting badge&quot;.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Safe-Keeper]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-02T14:13:13Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Irichanu wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Stats make&nbsp; me wanna go solo, so I dont like them =S. Stats bad, teamwork good!</p></blockquote></div><p>But you get more points for teamwork.&nbsp; Just try winning a map as Commander, that&#039;s all I can say <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-02T14:10:28Z</updated>
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