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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lisbon treaty]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>lol , yea , glass the middle east, and surf on the fallout.&nbsp; &nbsp;not good .</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luke SkyRaper]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-19T03:46:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lisbon treaty]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Then there&#039;s the idea from Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, nuke &#039;em all and start fresh... <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/yikes.png" width="15" height="15" alt="yikes" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Crix Madine]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-19T02:20:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lisbon treaty]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yea well you sound just like any other revolutionary to me.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Stardestroyersarecool]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-18T19:12:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lisbon treaty]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You will be sucked up into it anyway , you have less choice than I do , LOL !!!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luke SkyRaper]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-18T19:00:30Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, i&#039;m out.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Alreech]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-18T18:23:10Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lisbon treaty]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Death to the NWO .</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo</a><br />watch this , its happening .</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luke SkyRaper]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-17T17:34:47Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lisbon treaty]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Oh, im sure the new elite will be much better... <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>Have you noticed what all revolutionary statements sound the same ?<br />AlKaida, the german red army fraction, all have claimed to fight for a better towmorrow...<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Fraction">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Fraction</a></p><p>Translated statments of AlKaida and the RAF are aviable on different sites of the web, have a look on them and ask yourself if you still want to go this way...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Alreech]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-16T11:05:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lisbon treaty]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well thats whats going to happen , and thats what we are prepared for .<br />It will be bloody , and result in a new government for damn sure.<br />And the elite class that has created a world market for greed, will be enslaved or killed and turned in to fertillizer. <br />I think elite fertilizer will grow better plants than peasant derived fertilizer.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luke SkyRaper]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-15T18:29:14Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://zeitgeistmovie.com/">http://zeitgeistmovie.com/</a>&nbsp; <br />First 15 mins or so are slow but stick with it. It will make you view the world in a different light!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Athlon]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-15T18:14:42Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Alreech wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>New World order ?</p><p>3 Things to consider:<br />1st: Human nature makes it impossible to create such a new world order.<br />Even the old world order didn&#039;t work well because of the human nature, but most societies have found ways to work well despite the human weakness.</p><p>2nd: A revolution is no Kinder garden-Carnival, it&#039;s blood on the streets and shooting &quot;enemies of the people&quot;. It&#039;s not uncommon to shoot the first members of any revolution later because &quot;they secretly have worked together with the enemies of the people&quot;.</p><p>3rd: Any revolution ends with a new government... and because this government was created by bloodshed and a change of human nature is impossible the same problems what have lead to the revolution will cause sooner or later new bloodshed.</p><p>And talking about gun&#039;s and politicians...<br />Everyone is a politician. If you visit the town hall because there is a discussion about to build a new road near your house... how did a gun help you here - shoot everyone who isn&#039;t your opinion because he is a part of the new world order ?<br />At the basic level politics are simple, but not all problems can be solved at a basic level.</p><p>There is a thing called basic consensus what keeps every society together. One of this basics is to accept a legal desiccation even it&#039;s negative for the own interests.<br />Any society there many members quit this consensus will break, causing sooner or later a civil war.</p><p>And the civil war will be fight along the lines of personal believes. It&#039;s quite possible what in your 2nd American revolution you must shoot at people who don&#039;t belive in the existence of a &quot;new world order&quot;.<br />People who may haven been your friends, your class mates or your relatives (maybe your own brother)...<br />And after your revolution you must oppress them, because they have fight for the other side...<br />Are you ready to do this ?</p></blockquote></div><p>&quot;You can forge a throne from bayonets but you cant sit on it for long&quot;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Stardestroyersarecool]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-15T16:59:10Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lisbon treaty]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>New World order ?</p><p>3 Things to consider:<br />1st: Human nature makes it impossible to create such a new world order.<br />Even the old world order didn&#039;t work well because of the human nature, but most societies have found ways to work well despite the human weakness.</p><p>2nd: A revolution is no Kinder garden-Carnival, it&#039;s blood on the streets and shooting &quot;enemies of the people&quot;. It&#039;s not uncommon to shoot the first members of any revolution later because &quot;they secretly have worked together with the enemies of the people&quot;.</p><p>3rd: Any revolution ends with a new government... and because this government was created by bloodshed and a change of human nature is impossible the same problems what have lead to the revolution will cause sooner or later new bloodshed.</p><p>And talking about gun&#039;s and politicians...<br />Everyone is a politician. If you visit the town hall because there is a discussion about to build a new road near your house... how did a gun help you here - shoot everyone who isn&#039;t your opinion because he is a part of the new world order ?<br />At the basic level politics are simple, but not all problems can be solved at a basic level.</p><p>There is a thing called basic consensus what keeps every society together. One of this basics is to accept a legal desiccation even it&#039;s negative for the own interests.<br />Any society there many members quit this consensus will break, causing sooner or later a civil war.</p><p>And the civil war will be fight along the lines of personal believes. It&#039;s quite possible what in your 2nd American revolution you must shoot at people who don&#039;t belive in the existence of a &quot;new world order&quot;.<br />People who may haven been your friends, your class mates or your relatives (maybe your own brother)...<br />And after your revolution you must oppress them, because they have fight for the other side...<br />Are you ready to do this ?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Alreech]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-15T12:14:31Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Lisbon treaty]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yea its pretty pointless to even observe politics while youre unarmed and weak isnt it ??? .<br />Politicians need guns ( pointed at their faces )</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luke SkyRaper]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-14T20:14:11Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>....I...hate....politics............... Seriously if I or anyone else ever makes a thread like this again please just lock it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Stardestroyersarecool]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-14T20:08:19Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Everyone of us , everyone still living in a &quot;free&quot; nation ...<br />We must fight and destroy the insect culture of central governement .<br />Its like communism or socialism but 5 times worse, and seeks to imprison all non-royal ruling class peoples into a peasant/worker/slave arrangement .&nbsp; This is a human thing on earth , not some country thing.<br />Its called the &quot;new world order&quot;&nbsp; and the NWO is the most vile rotten maligned conspiracy ever perpetrated on people.<br />We will crush the NWO after the AMerican Revolution II .&nbsp; &nbsp;It comming , and hamsters willing I will be at the front.&nbsp; As Bandu observed, government must be balanced , and when the balance get upset, the governments become oppressive.<br />Theres a reason why the American Revolution II wont be stopped by any government ( not even our own rotten corrupt lying stinking filthy government ) and thats because United Stated Citezens are the best armed civilian army in the world.&nbsp; Figures why they want to take all your guns away doesnt it ?&nbsp; &nbsp;<br />Thay just wish they had my stuff pinpointed. And I have lots of stuff ...<br />They know whats comming and tehy know they cant stop it.<br />Politicians prefer unarmed peasants.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luke SkyRaper]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-06-14T19:28:40Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Straider wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Let&#039;s all try that this thread doesn&#039;t go towards discrimination <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Would better, because during the 1990 to 1999 Europe peaceful ways didn&#039;t work well on the Balkan, and the war 1999 against Yugoslavia was fight unilateral and without UN approval... something most people tend to forget to keep a moral high ground... <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>And I still don&#039;t know what that threaty was about <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /></p></blockquote></div><p>From <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eu">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eu</a><br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The EU traces its origins to the European Coal and Steel Community formed among six countries in 1951 and the Treaty of Rome in 1957. Since then the EU has grown in size through the accession of new member states and has increased its powers by the addition of new policy areas to its remit. The Treaty of Lisbon was signed in December 2007 with the intention to amend the existing treaties to update the political and legal structure of the union. The ratification process was scheduled to be accomplished by the end of 2008. This target is currently jeopardized by the negative outcome of the Irish referendum in June 2008.</p></blockquote></div><div class="quotebox"><cite>Bandu wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I would vote a big fat no. Why? because it is an attack on democracy and national sovereignty. It is just another attempt at centralization of power. Our Government is already way too big and intrusive but I&#039;m not about to vote to give power over my country to bureaucrats in Brussels.... the bureaucrats in London are bad enough.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think 1787 the some people of the north American colonies have the same thoughts <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> </p><p>While most of us (the peoples of the EU and the USA) like to have the benefits of a great free market (cheap prices, great selection, easy travel, the ability to take a job or study every there, no need to change currency) no one likes a strong central government...<br />...but every one shakes his head if the lack of a strong central goverment leads to politic paralyzation.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-06-14T18:33:34Z</updated>
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