...you arcade players...

I'm afraid I don't really know what you mean by this. I've never played an arcade game in my life. I'm too tight to put my money in a slot!

Indeed! Hence my general air of facetiousness...

You seem to be impying that fun, or should I say enjoyment, is the sole province of youth here!

I'm 45 and I don't play games I don't enjoy – which is not to say I don't enjoy a certain amount of realism. I'm enjoying myself right now actually.

What's more, I loved the enhanced teamplay aspect of 2142 over its predecessor BF2. I'd like to see it fully replicated in this conversion, but that's a different subject.

If you don't hate stats too much to have a look, check out mine: team points form the majority of my score; I've been a squad leader for over 70% of my time, and my lone wolf time is neglible. I love teamplay, but don't take my word for it, come and join my squad on a server and see for yourself.

You may find I'm rather difficult to conveniently place in one of your pigeonholes...

Talk of 'lore accuracy' is fine, but authenticity? Come off it! Star Wars is completely made up: pretend, fantasy, science fiction... Call it what you will, it ain't real.

I honestly don't understand the "it's Star Wars and thus fiction so it can't have realism" argument. Project Reality, too, is fictional, it's still realistic and a blast to play. Does a mod or game have to take place in the real world and depict real events to have realistic features? I don't understand why.

Sorry, but I hate this line so much. Some realistic features add to the game, some don't. Some make the game easier, some make it harder. Some improve teamwork, some detract from it. Some think realism is fun, others think arcade is fun. To yell "It's a game!" or "a game needs fun" makes it sound as if you arcade players are the only ones who can decide what is fun and that regardlessly of what us realism people say, realistic games aren't fun games, period.

Let me give you an example of a "fun" (by your definition of fun, which seems to be "easy and uncomplicated") realism feature. As it currently is in FS, you have to aim yourself at enemy fighters. In real Star Wars, your fighter locked onto enemy fighters and aimed for you (see Vader blowing up Rebel fighters in the trench and Wedge killing TIE's in the Battle of Endor). See where I'm heading with this? This is one example of realism making the game easier, not more complicated.

EDIT: The discussion is pretty much pointless anyway because the devs are sadly not going to implement this feature. Maybe after we've established a large, loyal player base some of the devs, testers, and players who prefer realism can go off and make a realism minimod based on FS, attracting the older, more realism- and teamwork-craving players. Until then, unfortunately it stays as it is.

And 'realism'... IT'S A GAME, FFS!

All a game needs are balance, fairness and fun.

At present, you have the choice to fly in cockpit view (and if that floats your boat, I'm chuffed for you) or in Nose Cam, as I and many others prefer. That's just fine as it is.

It ain't bust, so there's nothing to fix. On the other hand, there are many elements of this fine conversion that are bust and do need fixing...

X-Wings & Y Wings have a much smaller Cockpitview than a TIE, so block the nose cam and some players will it find hard to fly a Y-Wing...

And since the Y-Wing pretty much mows down whatever gets in its way...

Nice.

I LOVE having cockpit's on. I thrive on it. But that's just me. Not everyone likes it and I respect that. My only gripe with the current cockpit POV is there's no mouse look function. I's gotsta haves it!!

And for the record, I love spinach.

Yes, there is, if it improves the game.

Improves the game for who and according to who's standards?

We could technically have made vehicles so that they have infinite boost and you only have finite boost power if you choose to stop holding Shift after x seconds... but we realized that finite boost is better, because it's more realistic and better for gameplay.

Same with no nose cam - in my opinion, it'd enhance gameplay, authenticity and immersion if we removed the nose cam either in part or entirely from the mod. Heck, was it up to me, external views would be removed, too, at least from ground vehicles (fighters and bombers actually do need them as they have no nose cam). The AT-ST would still be hugely useful, but it'd become far, far more important to guard it with infantry - in other words, teamwork would benefit. And it's not like we've got sensor droids and homing beacons .

He is asking to remove the nose cam because it is unrealistic, my point is, nobody tells u too use the nose cam, this guy doesn't like it that there is a nose cam, but if he doesn't like it, then he shouldn't use it.

And again, if he did that he'd be at a massive disadvantage.

And since the Y-Wing pretty much mows down whatever gets in its way...