S-Guy has a good point. Be careful not to oversimplify things, guys .

HEY I AC---wait, what?

Hold on a moment while I go to party city. Wait, I'm feeling a little dizzy.
*blacks out*

Oh, and I personally love the hills. They're great assets for infantry who'd otherwise get mowed down by tanks on the open ground.

Anywho, I don't see why everyone hates the hill in the middle, I really like it since It's a cool place to just scout out the enemy base, or snipe from, just a cool infiltration route to some of the bases. Besides, sending the tanks and troops in two different directions requires at least SOME degree of coordination. Besides, the map just wouldn't look right if it were just a big flat arena with a couple small hills and tanks flying all over the place. The main thing I always try to get across is that no  matter what, SOMEONE is going to be constantly complaining. Right now, everyone is going to be complaining about the map being too complicated, or boring, etc. etc. But if you take out the hill, or pretty much modify the map in any way, a whole DIFFERENT crazy legion of people will start complaining. "It's too big!" "Theres no strategy!" "This is stupid!" "This is way too simple!" It just depends on whose point of view you're looking at.

Holy crap. Did I just write all that?

I kid I kid.  But my mind must have gotten crossed there as I was talking to flippy about FH2 and pushmaps the other day.

I played FH a fair bit, and I'm 99% sure they had Push Maps. Push Maps, and a restriction on some CP's that made them cappable only when more than one player was in the cap zone (some flags you had to be two to cap, others three, I even think there were a couple CP's you had to be four to cap).

I remember that too.

I meant FH 1 Woodrow

Though our push maps, are still different from theirs, ours is more flexible.

RabidJohn wrote:

Don't get me wrong. I like the push mode maps (are they a First Strike innovation?)

No.

See:

Project Reality
Forgotten Hope

Actually we developed ours in parallel and totally seperate to those mods.  The impetus to creating them for this mod was laid down in the initial design documentation back in 2006 as part of the overall objective.  FH2 wasn't released till far later and PR had only begun implimenting it themselves at that time if my memory serves me.  In fact I didn't even know FH had push maps till flippy told me a couple weeks ago.  Interestingly the first people I know to have implimented it were the DC crew in BF1942, though they had a very wacky setup with col meshes around the flags.  GC also made an attempt at it (with me at the helm setting that up), with mixed results.  And technically both BF2 and bf2142 both came with a quasi supply lines/pushmap type coding, though it was never actually implimented until the Northern Strike 2142 booster pack.

But the reason for using them is very obvious and very direct: it allows us to focus the full force of all the players into one or two enclosed areas.  This is one of the many tricks we use to make the mod feel like a single massive battleground rather than a hundred tiny skirmishes.  There are up sides and down sides to the method and I'll be the first to admit it's not perfect, but it does accomplish more goals and eliminates more problems than if we went with straight conquest, so we're happy for it.

Ice Plains 32p and 64p have been shrunk.  32p is now the same as 16p though with more vehicles.  64p is now the same as 32p but with more vehicles.  64p with 3 routes no longer exists.

I thing we need to just tighten the map up a bit on at least the 32 and 64 player variants.

<RT> Jimwalker-NL wrote:

FSDev| BLITZ wrote:

Feel free to email them to me , thanks very much.

It generates core dumps which are fairly large however I've just deleted them all.

I can't correlate them with the game.

this is the answer I got apparently I can't send them.

NP dude, any thing you can do to help is appreciated.

Hello Blitz,

To get this thread back on the subject, our server administrator send me the following message.

If the people at FS want the dump files  then they can email me, renegade at roguetribe.com, an FTP area where I can upload the core dumps to.

Don't get me wrong. I like the push mode maps (are they a First Strike innovation?)

No.

See:

Project Reality
Forgotten Hope