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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: AT-HE: All Terrain Heavy Enforcer (& Star Wars canon)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Going a bit more off the subject of the thread (sorry) and on the lines of levels of canon in the <strong>Star Wars </strong>universe here is a good article for those interested.</p><p><a href="http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/magazine/16-09/ff_starwarscanon?currentPage=all">http://www.wired.com/entertainment/holl … ntPage=all</a></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-07-02T16:26:26Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to figuring out what&#039;s canon and what isn&#039;t, (regarding games, at least) I generally start by looking at how far-fetched it is, then checking what other information from various other sources is there to back it up? That&#039;s why I always loved the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series so much. <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-19T17:57:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: AT-HE: All Terrain Heavy Enforcer (& Star Wars canon)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Gwynzer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>X-Wing series, one X-Wing Squadron (And help from unmanned missile frigates, but still...) TAKING OUT AN SSD, ALL IT&#039;S FIGHTER COMPLIMENT AND HAVING EVERYONE ON BOARD SURRENDER? WTF!&nbsp; Holds hundreds upon hundreds of fighters, thousands of troops and resources.</p></blockquote></div><p>But yet, physical objects (missiles) go through shields. The sheer volume of missiles meant that an (IIRC) already damaged SSD could not shoot enough down to prevent critical damage. Maybe some of the crew had had family or friends on board the Executor and remembered that incident when a lone A-wing managed to strike a vital system.</p><p>TBH, the ISD/SSDs were more a means of striking fear through size than practical warships. They were formidable but with the glaring design flaws that happen when you have a sithlord leaning over your shoulder.</p><p><em>But sir, adding extra mass to the ship will only...</em><br /><strong>Bigger.</strong><br /><em>I understand that sir, but you must understand that these design parameters and considerations date back to the Sith empire. Simply making a larger ship won&#039;t increae the firepower by..</em><br /><strong>Big. Ger.</strong><br /><em>Sire, these main weapons are unable to fire forward due to the mass of the ship! A small ship, like a gallofree could easily avoid being hit by staying within the blindspots located here and he..</em></p><p><strong>BIG- GER!</strong> (lightning noises)</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-17T18:33:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: AT-HE: All Terrain Heavy Enforcer (& Star Wars canon)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>After reading the more recent novels, going back to listen to some of the earlier ones really upsets me.&nbsp; Some of the huge gaps in lore (wasn&#039;t an issue when they were written) and just things which don&#039;t make sense really kills me.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t help that most of the old novels are also in abridged format on audiobook, meaning most of the story is actually left out.&nbsp; </p><p>X-Wing series, one X-Wing Squadron (And help from unmanned missile frigates, but still...) TAKING OUT AN SSD, ALL IT&#039;S FIGHTER COMPLIMENT AND HAVING EVERYONE ON BOARD SURRENDER? WTF!&nbsp; Holds hundreds upon hundreds of fighters, thousands of troops and resources. </p><br /><p>Yeah, I&#039;d like to see some of the older books rewritten - the base story being the same but fixing any plot holes, I just can&#039;t &quot;fall&quot; into them like I do with the newer novels.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-16T09:15:39Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Heh heh, I hear ya.</p><p><img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-16T07:59:34Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Im the older breed then since I only see the movies and (unfortunately to some degree) the CW series as canon. Games, comics, books... they are just EU to me. I never take them &quot;seriously&quot; since they&#039;ve caused me loads and loads of physical and emotional facepalms throughout the years of SW fanhood.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Flippy Warbear]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-06-15T18:15:32Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: AT-HE: All Terrain Heavy Enforcer (& Star Wars canon)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Like I said earlier, there is a chart which <strong>Lucasfilm Licensing</strong> has which illustrates the various levels of canon, and it includes details of the level of accuracy to the source material that it needs to have to achieve that grade of canon. So basically all material is considered canon to a certain level, but only the movies and TV series are cast iron canon if you will. I&#039;ll have to see if I can dig it up, it is quite interesting actually. Even fan fiction is considering something like Z-grade canon or something.</p><p>I generally consider only the movies and shows to be canon myself, but then you get this level of cross-pollination between the <strong>EU</strong> and the movies when <strong>George Lucas </strong>sees something he likes from the <strong>EU </strong>and puts it in the movies (the <strong>Outrider </strong>ship from <strong>Shadows of the Empire </strong>appearing in the <strong>ANH Special Edition</strong>, <strong>Aayla Secura </strong>from the <strong>Dark Horse Star Wars</strong> comics appearing in the prequels, not to mention her master <strong>Quinlan Vos </strong>being name checked by <strong>Obi Wan</strong> in <strong>Ep3</strong>) instantly heightening the canon level, so I guess if he considers <strong>EU</strong> material close enough to his vision to put in the movies, then they deserve to be seen as such. And when games such as <strong>The Force Unleashed</strong> come out which are so closely intertwined with the plots of the movies the line between canon <strong>Star Wars </strong>and the <strong>EU</strong> becomes a little blurred.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-15T12:09:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>And I thought only Lucasfilm products (movies, TV-series) are canon only, since its not just Lucasarts who creates the games. Lucasarts can just be a publisher when the creator studio itself is something completely different. Same with books and comics, everyone can write SW which automatically makes it expanded universe, not canon.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-15T11:17:52Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: AT-HE: All Terrain Heavy Enforcer (& Star Wars canon)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and then you also had <strong>Shadows of the Empire </strong>which was released as a multimedia event meant to rival that of a new <strong>Star Wars</strong> movie release, with an onslaught of toys, comics and novels to go with the game.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-15T10:00:58Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>FSDev| TALON wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>with some of the newer more story driven games such as <strong>The Force Unleashed</strong> considered quite a bit higher, perhaps on par with the novels.</p></blockquote></div><p>The higher-canon games also usually have an accompanying novel, which is the reason for their &quot;upgrade&quot;.&nbsp; This is certainly the case for the Force Unleashed, IIRC, the novel was actually pretty good.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-15T09:10:06Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: AT-HE: All Terrain Heavy Enforcer (& Star Wars canon)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><strong>Lucasfilm/arts</strong> put a great deal of effort into maintaining continuity across all facets and media that the <strong>Star Wars</strong> franchise encompasses, but I believe a great deal of the games are considered lower level canon at best, with some of the newer more story driven games such as <strong>The Force Unleashed</strong> considered quite a bit higher, perhaps on par with the novels. There was a table released in an article somewhere regarding <strong>Lucasfilm Licensing </strong>which actually had a table depicting the various levels of <strong>Star Wars</strong> canon, with the movies obviously at the top of the list and I think a letter grade which designated the levels of canon beneath. video games were pretty low as I recall.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-15T08:15:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: AT-HE: All Terrain Heavy Enforcer (& Star Wars canon)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That is a lie. Most aspects (of games) are considered canon, just not all.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-14T22:42:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: AT-HE: All Terrain Heavy Enforcer (& Star Wars canon)]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>No SW game is canon.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-14T18:14:35Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>mswf wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yeah, it&#039;s all very self-contradictory. Wookiepedia also says that the AT-AT was introduced in the clone-wars, but I&#039;ve also played EaW, which said in one mission that you were testing a proto-type.</p></blockquote></div><p>EaW isn&#039;t quite fully canon. Just look at the galactic map.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-06-13T23:58:46Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Slyfox_Elite wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I can&#039;t say yes or no to that mswf, but the downed AT-AT in the picture is not one of the prototypes. So it must be imperial era. I went on Wookieepedia and it just got me confused.</p></blockquote></div><p>Can&#039;t recall where I found the EPIII comment, may have been Wookiepedia; I know I checked it at one point. <img src="https://forums.fsmod.com/img/smilies/hmm.png" width="15" height="15" alt="hmm" /></p>]]></content>
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