Were discussing politics ....

The following quote has nothing to do with what we are talking about...therefore irrelavent.

" I would like to say for those who lived outside the United States when 9/11 happened, you cannot possibly know the state the country was in on that day.  I was living on the US East Coast at the time, and it was Pearl Harbour.  Not thousands of miles away, but in our backyard.

Just remember that when you're 'debating'. "

Maybe you are insinuating that because I dont come from the US and wasnt in New York at the time of the attack my opinions and facts dont count (which is complete BS , to be frank)

The only way the above quote could be relevant to the topic/s was if myself or others (not from the US) were discussing how US citizens were reacting or feeling on that day. 

eg. some1's family memeber has just died of a heart attack or cancer or something ...and another person ,who has been lucky enough to not have had such a terrible loss , comes up to the grieving person and says " I know how you feel" ..... 

Understand?

ArcAngel227 wrote:

? Of course its rellevant! Its the very reason that these new laws are being passed! The sudden gut punch the attack delivered cannot be overstated enough! We haven't been attacked since Pearl Harbor! Worse, this was a civilian target! Worse they have no single state we can simply declare war on. Instead we are battling an idea. Thats a fing scaring thing. How can all the fancy nukes we've made protect against a target that dosn't exist? Where enemy combatants can duck around the corner and instantly become a civilian, who if killed will be counted as an 'atrocity'. People that count civilian deaths as victories, and who aren't afraid of their families dying, just so they can kill some jews or infidels. The nuclear deterant does not work against these kinds of people? Thats not scary?
That is exactly what was running throught eh minds of every US citizen on 9/11. How are we gunna fight them?

Well, my point was that its wrong to think that only Americans views on 9/11 counts or has any credance. I basically didnt like his tone at all and couldnt see the relevance to what we were currently debating ( no, no 'debating' thank you very much) in Iraq's WMD's. I actually forgot that i started the thread about the laws that have killed the US.

anyway...

ArcAngel227 wrote:

Bush's answer was any way we can. While I very strongly agree with Bush's stance on that, his actual carrying out of that plan leaves much to be desired. Afhganistan was picture perfect. Iraq...not so much. I do not ARGUE FOR BUSH OR HIS 'TACTICS'. What I AM arguing is that the Goverment's motivation is exactly the same as the average Joe's. They where SCARED to see a sudden INCREDIBLE threat, pop out of no where. They feared a nuked washington, new york, or LA. I don't believe you believe these ARE credible threats.

Afganistan was picture perfect? really? . Hmmm , if you mean by directing Al Qaeda into Pakistan , then yes, it was perfect.
A number of times we had AQ and Bin Laden cornered and let him go shows that it wasnt negligence but more plan.
1 of the these was near the border of Pakistan. There were 4 routes that AQ and Bin Laden could take. We blocked off only 3 of these routes ...enabling them to escape into Pakistan.
Oh! and what about the air lifting of thousands of AQ operatives via Pakistani cargo planes into pakistan? Afganistan was the most US/UK watched and scrutinised place in the universe! If ANYTHING was in the air WE knew about it! .. but for hours and hours we watched AQ get lifted out of Afganistan and into Pakistan over and over again! This could not be done unless we and Pakistan allowed it to happen. Theres more examples ...

You should try looking into the "picture perfect"  war yourself really.

"They where SCARED to see a sudden INCREDIBLE threat, pop out of no where"

The above quote deserves to be put in bold. The US got countless warnings (from over 14 countries) of iminent attacks of hijacked airliners being used as missiles and flown into promenant US buildings in advance of 9/11. We (Britain) even warned you a week or so before it happened.

I suggest you do some reading up on the time around 9/11.

ArcAngel227 wrote:

The VAST majority of Americans do. After 9/11 every American knew that, and had those scenes running through their minds. That number has not decreased.
Republicans, Libertarians, Democrats, and liberals, and anyone who dosn't litterly take the terrorists side (pretty much just that 'Al Quaeda in America' Guy from california, or that American guy in afhganistan we found) is still 100% behind the war on terror.
Their just tired of the war in Iraq. We are all. Iraq has america split. But not the war on terror. If we withdraw from Iraq tommorow, the war will continue, and we will fight it just as hard.

I find the bold part of your quote to be a very telling sign that you are unknowingly doctrinated. You just insinuated that any1 who isnt behind this 'War of Terror' is a terrorist!!. "Your either with us, or your with the terrorists" who said that? .... no it wasnt Anakin .  More and more people are seeing thro the cover up and lies of 9/11 and therefore the 'War on Terror' . So yes. The number HAS decreased.

Iraq has America split but not the 'war of terror' ? Hang on......wasnt/isnt the Iraqi war part of the 'War of Terror' ??? or atleast supposed to be? . Hmmmm......

Your move