92 Reply by ArcAngel227 (edited by ArcAngel227 2006-10-25 19:40:30)

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Re: Habeus Corpus - rip

Total spin. Absolute total spin on 'number 4'.

On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.

The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy. Despite the acute legal and political implications of this accusation, nearly 30% of registered Republicans and over 38% of those who described themselves as "very conservative" supported the claim.

I already talked about this poll. It basically reads, Are you happy with how goverment dealt with 9/11, as well as do you think the goverment may have known about and not acted on it. Okay, as I said, I would be voting WITH THEM. Yes they knew. Yes they did what they always did. Nothing, or at least nothing of any great importance.

Now right after this poll, Zogby says this poll is asking about the Goverment's complicity in the attack. 'The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy.'

And as you've just made perfectly clear:

com‧plic‧i‧ty  /kəmˈplɪsɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhm-plis-i-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
the state of being an accomplice; partnership or involvement in wrongdoing: complicity in a crime.

They spin a poll asking about how well the Goverment handled stopping the threat (and if the goverment had heard about it) into a poll declaring half of new yorkers believe the US goverment launched the attack.
As for the last poll I'd have voted for it as well. I have NO doubts the goverment has covered up things about the attack.

As for the actual details of the 9/11 conspiracy theory, if I wanted to discuss them I'd have posted in your other thread.

And zulu, no offense, but if your going to join the discussion, especially on my side, then please stop with personal attacks. This is not an arguement, and therefore these comments dont belong. This is a discussion. Respond to what bandu says, don't trash on him for actually saying it.

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The point of these polls was merely to show you that the majority of people believe the Government were involved , in some way , in 911. Whether that be engineering it , letting it happen or covering it up. You have to remember that some of these people asked may have said yes to them believing that they engineered it or allowed it to happen on purpose ... ( some of the 30% ,who believe they are outright lying , will believe this)

Im not gonna argue about what this particular poll meant by its question. I was just showing that not 100% of people support the 'War on Terror'.

The cover-up of 911 is far more telling. My thread about WTC7 collapsing wasnt a conspiracy theory.

My feeling is that because you outright refuse to even question the official 911 story you'll never understand. Your mind is closed. Theres sooo much info there if you look for it. Im not talkin about Loose Change .. they go on about the Pentagon ..which tbh I wont touch because what happened there is a mystery really.


Zulu , your so sheltered and ignorant..what you say to me means nothing. I guess you should wait a few years and mature abit or somethin..

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I can't really give you the 30% either tongue
The poll question was completely squewed (I like that word big_smile). Those 30% say they think the goverment are out right lying. That opinion could cover several situations. One of the most likely is the belief 'The goverment knew about it, but are fervently denying this because they don't want any flak catching them for failing to stop it'.
A great deal of Americans are not behind the goverment. Its been a very rare event for something like that to happen. But that is very different than the war on terror, which VERY VERY FEW do not support, especially New Yorkers. I don't know a single american, besides those who have actually betrayed the US and joined the terrorists (and I mean physically. Not by disagreeing with me. Or even by not supporting the war on terror) who would not support police from killing a suicide bomber in LAX, or something similar. THAT is the war on terror. Invading Afhganistan was universally supported by virtually all americans and a great deal of internationals. That is part of the war on terror.
The only question is whether Iraq is. I say that our invasion would have been absolutely the right thing to do if the intel was correct. Everyone else said that too, before the invasion.

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Ok, tell me exactly what the poll question is. You cant say that "I can't really give you the 30% either "

There is a mssive movement of people who know that 911 was an inside job. These people do not support THIS War on Terror. If you dont believe the crap the government pulled out of their collective pie for their offical 911 story then you dont believe in THIS war of terror ....... 911 is the whole reason the this 'war' began!

The fact that you are ignorant to the facts doesnt mean they arnt there.

The Polices job is to protect people ... the war on terror isnt that. The war on terror is supposedly about pre-emptive action against a hidden threat. The reality is its an imaginary threat. You should look int the past of the neo cons who run your country . The likes of Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz engineered the whole "Soviet threat" during the Reagon period.
Because the US now had no threat to them, they had to create one ..by distorting , exagerating and downright making up stuff to scare people. If an administration wants real power then their people need to be afraid of something. These people actually said that lack of evidence IS evidence. Read up on the whole Soviet fiasco whereby they said that bacuase the soviets didnt appear to be gearing up to attack the US that meant they were! . They created a fantasy and sold it. They are doing the same here with the 'War on Terror' ... which should be renamed to 'The War of Terror' . 



"I don't know a single american, besides those who have actually betrayed the US and joined the terrorists (and I mean physically. Not by disagreeing with me. Or even by not supporting the war on terror) who would not support police from killing a suicide bomber in LAX, or something similar"

Just because you dont know an American who isnt behind the War of Terror , doesnt mean that there isnt people who see thro it,and dont support it.

So you know terrorists hey? tongue



I do not support the fraud that is the War on Terror .... does that make me ,and the many many many people who know the same, traitors or terrorists?

Im not American , no ... but we were supposedly attacked by Islamic terrorists on 7/7 .

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96 Reply by ArcAngel227 (edited by ArcAngel227 2006-10-25 22:57:27)

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Was that faked too?
And come on dude you know what I mean with this thing "I don't know a single american, besides those who have actually betrayed the US and joined the terrorists (and I mean physically. Not by disagreeing with me. Or even by not supporting the war on terror) who would not support police from killing a suicide bomber in LAX, or something similar".
If you physically use weapons to kill innocents or coalition service people your a terrorist. The same if you send the weapon to teh terrorist to kill ^.
Also how is it a pre emptive strike? We've been attacked again and again for years! 9/11 absolutely ws not the beginning of the war. The war began when america began proving it's support for israel. Ever since its been one attack after another, that we haven't responded too. 9/11 was the day that changed.
And I know your not an American, but terrorists make war on the whole west.
And there was no soviet threat?
Uh, one theory at a time tongue

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &q=911

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Re: Habeus Corpus - rip

Its just the same bullshit as all the other 9/11 truth stuffs.

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