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No, of course not, that wouldn't make anarchists look good in fact, maybe he is right, everyone but post-modern Briton is out to get their own people. Seriously people, stop making conspiracy theories and do something useful with your life.

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I admire you faith in a governemnt that tortures but , without sounding harsh, this is the exact thing im talkin about as far as apathy etc. These laws are straight from 1940's berlin and your just shrugging them off!? . In the matter of a couple of years your constitution has been ripped to shreds and you dont seem to care 1 bit.

Without sounding harsh, I find this the highest disrespect to all the people who died at the hands of the British Empire and other wars AGAINST governments that practiced such laws.


How much longer will you be saying "Other countries have stricter laws" ?? How much longer will you be ABLE to say "Other countries have stricter laws"?

Im very frustrated sad .

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Zulu wrote:

No, of course not, that wouldn't make anarchists look good in fact, maybe he is right, everyone but post-modern Briton is out to get their own people. Seriously people, stop making conspiracy theories and do something useful with your life.

Sry, but you are a moron. You need to live a little and educate yourself before making comments like that.

Youv proved this before with your rediculous , ignornant and mis-informed views on WTC7 . Seriously, if you are ignorant, just keep your fingers off your keyboard....

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Well hold up. Questioning things is never a bad thing. Blind faith in anything is stupid, and freedoms are the last things you want to toss around lightley. However. I believe we are at war, the numerous attacks against us, both succesful and foiled, proove that point pretty well. Before ww2 our population was pretty effectively split over who they side with in europe. There where germans that LEFT america to go fight for germany. Their where japenese people here who held very close ties to the japanese goverment. Tough laws where created and enforced, some of them REDICIOUSLY (sp?) tough. Such as rounding up the japenese americans. Most if not ALL of them where in no way affilitated with the imperial goverment.
We were attacked, we were scared, we had a war to fight. Goverment officials were genuinely concerned for our saftey. Perhaps they flew off the handle in some areas, inprisoning the japenese certaintly falls under that category, but they DID NOT do that in an effort to raise themselves up over the people. They did it because they believed it would help alleviate that threat. Genuinely. They could have used the power to arrest political rivals, people they nursed a grudge against, or simpley an annoying brother in law. But thats not what the law was made for. It wasn't the motivation behind it. And these acts where rescinded after the war.
I'm not saying all of these decisions their making are right. I'm saying that they aren't attempts to control us, they are attempts to protect us, their families, and their friends. By the people, For the people.
We are at war with islamic extremists, the extremists do want to kill us, and our goverments want to  stop them. Was 7/7 fake too? How about the madrid attack? Why can't things be EXACTLY as they appear?

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ArcAngel227 wrote:

We are at war with islamic extremists, the extremists do want to kill us, and our goverments want to  stop them. Was 7/7 fake too? How about the madrid attack? Why can't things be EXACTLY as they appear?

7/7 was dodgy aswell. It is FACT that our defence department was running drills the morning of 7/7 that were working on multiple attacks to the London underground (same stations as the incidents) and bus bombings.

The same with 9/11 , the only real news reports you can genuinely believe is the news reports on the actual day/morning of the incidents... its impossible for them to be cencored at this point.

If you believe that Bin Laden isnt a CIA assett then im happy for you , in that you can live in denial ..quite peacefully.

Im not a "conspiracy Theorist" (not that I deem it a derogatory label, like its cleverly been turned into) ...... theres loads of "conspiracy theories" and myths I laugh at.  9/11 , 7/7..especially 9/11 has so much actual evidence for something very sinister going on.

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Frédéric Bastiat

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Bandu does have a point tbh, it is a BLATENT breach of the 14th Amendment itself and practical applications by the SCOTUS of it.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Obviously this defines who is and what it is to be a US Citizen. It also means in combination with the 10th Amendment that the Federal Gov't cannot take citizenship away. (And this has faced the SCOTUS, and been held to be the case.)

Quite simply, I can see someone challenging this before too long, and even the GOP controlled SCOTUS is unlikely to rule differently than previously.

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Well, I gota say, I simpley see no proof or motive for the west to run a war against itself, particularly NOW. With the soviets gone we were headed for a nice long run of peace and technological renaissance.
I admit, Bin laden as a cia asset sounds real plausible after afghanistan. But thats not were this war started. It started in Iran after the overthrow, with that Islamic Extremist guy. He has a fancy title, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is at the moment. I'm sure you know who I mean. That guy that was in exhile until the regime overthrow.
Anyways, him and some other influenctial extremists simply completely turned a large group of muslims against the west. The youth especially.
I see geniune cultural conflict.

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