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Re: Proof that star wars beats star trek.

lol...

The Empire, is really only a name, the Republic which is what the Empire was made from held it for way longer than that, it was only called the Empire once they created an army because they needed one and Palpatine got all evil and such.

The Empire was a complete reconstitution of the government and territory, and its system, leaders and military only held onto the galaxy for 20 years.

Ok so let me get  this straight, you are saying that if the empire were attacking the Milky Way in ST every race would ally, but theres no way that the Rebels would ally with the Empire? That makes no sense, moot point.

No, but the big three, or at least two of the big three would ally, and other groups would battle the empire independently as the empire's greed for expansion would surely spread to them. The rebellion of Star Wars would definatly not ally with the empire if thats what you reference to, and most of the nations of the ST universe would not ally as they would fear becoming vassals of the empire or its next target.

I haven't overlooked anything, the fact is that Star Wars jsut has way more weapons on it's side.

And ST has many weapons on its side that could equal that in its EU. In my opinion, these debate should remain to what was seen on screen.

WArlords much later, but it doesn't matter what they were called, what matters is that they were still extremely powerful. I think yo uare drawing way to far away from the original debate here... back on topic please?

But that isn't the Palpatine Empire we have all grown to love. And how am I moving from the debate, I'm simply arguing ST vs. SW in all its facets.

You need a specific time period to keep this organized, otherwise we can pull things from years apart. The Galactic Empire was apart of one frame, then you have the reconstitution under the Palpatine clone, remnant, warlords and all that stuff in their own seperate time frames.

The lack of organization to this debate and many other scifi series vs. scifi series debates is why I think that whatever we argue is inevitably moot.

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Re: Proof that star wars beats star trek.

I agree, it is moot to argue ST is even possible to stand a chance vs SW... Because we all know, SW would dominate. big_smile



Ok, lets take it this way, Empire vs Federation.

Strongest assembled fleet of purely Federation craft on screen: ???

Strongest assembled fleet of purely Imperial craft: Numerous ISDs, Fighters, SSD, Death Star.

Most powerful EU Craft made by Empire: Sun Crusher

Most powerful EU craft constructed by Federation: ???

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108 (edited by Emperor Norton I 2007-12-15 03:37:50)

Re: Proof that star wars beats star trek.

Ok, lets take it this way, Empire vs Federation.

Strongest assembled fleet of purely Federation craft on screen: ???

Strongest assembled fleet of purely Imperial craft: Numerous ISDs, Fighters, SSD, Death Star.

Look up the dominion war. Or Wolf 359. If the Rebels could fight off an imperial fleet in starfighters, the feds could do it in ships.

Most powerful EU Craft made by Empire: Sun Crusher

Most powerful EU craft constructed by Federation: ???

Genesis: wipe out an entire planet in a second.

Not as powerful as a suncrusher, but then again the Empire of the movie era did not have suncrusher, it was developed by an isolated team and it came after Palpatine's fall, during the new republic era. And the suncrusher also suffers from the small set back of being destroyed.

and remember

Phasers>Lasers

no matter how powerful, a laser doesn't have the capacity of phaser technology. The laws of physics of the ST universe would screw over an Imperial invasion fleet.

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Not as powerful as a suncrusher, but then again the Empire of the movie era did not have suncrusher, it was developed by an isolated team and it came after Palpatine's fall, during the new republic era. And the suncrusher also suffers from the small set back of being destroyed.

It was voluntarily destroyed because it was so powerful they had to stuff it into a black hole.

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Re: Proof that star wars beats star trek.

Yes by the rebellion side. It is, however, forever gone.

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Re: Proof that star wars beats star trek.

Turbo lasers are more powerfull than phasers. And remember the federation, Klingons, Romulans etc only occupy a small quadrant of the milkyway. The Empire had the whole galaxy.

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Re: Proof that star wars beats star trek.

lets look at it like this

Chuck Norris > Empire+Federation

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