15 (edited by Luke SkyRaper 2008-06-14 16:14:49)

Re: The Lisbon treaty

Yea its pretty pointless to even observe politics while youre unarmed and weak isnt it ??? .
Politicians need guns ( pointed at their faces )

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Re: The Lisbon treaty

New World order ?

3 Things to consider:
1st: Human nature makes it impossible to create such a new world order.
Even the old world order didn't work well because of the human nature, but most societies have found ways to work well despite the human weakness.

2nd: A revolution is no Kinder garden-Carnival, it's blood on the streets and shooting "enemies of the people". It's not uncommon to shoot the first members of any revolution later because "they secretly have worked together with the enemies of the people".

3rd: Any revolution ends with a new government... and because this government was created by bloodshed and a change of human nature is impossible the same problems what have lead to the revolution will cause sooner or later new bloodshed.

And talking about gun's and politicians...
Everyone is a politician. If you visit the town hall because there is a discussion about to build a new road near your house... how did a gun help you here - shoot everyone who isn't your opinion because he is a part of the new world order ?
At the basic level politics are simple, but not all problems can be solved at a basic level.

There is a thing called basic consensus what keeps every society together. One of this basics is to accept a legal desiccation even it's negative for the own interests.
Any society there many members quit this consensus will break, causing sooner or later a civil war.

And the civil war will be fight along the lines of personal believes. It's quite possible what in your 2nd American revolution you must shoot at people who don't belive in the existence of a "new world order".
People who may haven been your friends, your class mates or your relatives (maybe your own brother)...
And after your revolution you must oppress them, because they have fight for the other side...
Are you ready to do this ?

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Re: The Lisbon treaty

Alreech wrote:

New World order ?

3 Things to consider:
1st: Human nature makes it impossible to create such a new world order.
Even the old world order didn't work well because of the human nature, but most societies have found ways to work well despite the human weakness.

2nd: A revolution is no Kinder garden-Carnival, it's blood on the streets and shooting "enemies of the people". It's not uncommon to shoot the first members of any revolution later because "they secretly have worked together with the enemies of the people".

3rd: Any revolution ends with a new government... and because this government was created by bloodshed and a change of human nature is impossible the same problems what have lead to the revolution will cause sooner or later new bloodshed.

And talking about gun's and politicians...
Everyone is a politician. If you visit the town hall because there is a discussion about to build a new road near your house... how did a gun help you here - shoot everyone who isn't your opinion because he is a part of the new world order ?
At the basic level politics are simple, but not all problems can be solved at a basic level.

There is a thing called basic consensus what keeps every society together. One of this basics is to accept a legal desiccation even it's negative for the own interests.
Any society there many members quit this consensus will break, causing sooner or later a civil war.

And the civil war will be fight along the lines of personal believes. It's quite possible what in your 2nd American revolution you must shoot at people who don't belive in the existence of a "new world order".
People who may haven been your friends, your class mates or your relatives (maybe your own brother)...
And after your revolution you must oppress them, because they have fight for the other side...
Are you ready to do this ?

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18 (edited by Athlon 2008-06-15 14:21:15)

Re: The Lisbon treaty

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/ 
First 15 mins or so are slow but stick with it. It will make you view the world in a different light!

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Re: The Lisbon treaty

Well thats whats going to happen , and thats what we are prepared for .
It will be bloody , and result in a new government for damn sure.
And the elite class that has created a world market for greed, will be enslaved or killed and turned in to fertillizer.
I think elite fertilizer will grow better plants than peasant derived fertilizer.

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20 (edited by Alreech 2008-06-16 07:12:24)

Re: The Lisbon treaty

Oh, im sure the new elite will be much better... wink

Have you noticed what all revolutionary statements sound the same ?
AlKaida, the german red army fraction, all have claimed to fight for a better towmorrow...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Fraction

Translated statments of AlKaida and the RAF are aviable on different sites of the web, have a look on them and ask yourself if you still want to go this way...

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21 (edited by Luke SkyRaper 2008-06-17 13:39:40)

Re: The Lisbon treaty

Death to the NWO .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo
watch this , its happening .

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