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Yeah?  I'd think that having to use the available code and restrictions would be incredibly close to a re-skin.  It's even been mentioned that the same general classes will be used.  It seems to me that although you're building this mod from the ground up, the product would (and should) turn out to be a sort of tweaked re-skin of the original game.  Don't you think?

I hope my selection of words was adequate on that...I feel like there's more I need to say on it, but I can't think of it.

Ah, now I really like that idea.  Your seemingly uncryptic crypticness leads me to believe that that would in fact be its function (or one of its functions), but if it's not, I think I should urge you folks to consider it.

Forgive me if it's perhaps irritating to relate the potential outcomes of components of the mod to 2142, but it really seems to me that because you're using the same engine and apparently considering many of the same things in terms of structure, you are in fact re-skinning, but also tweaking and according to RedMonkey are adding stuff.

But anyway, what you've sparked in my mind that I want to get at with this treadwell droid...Think in terms of supply crates.  It always seems odd to me that there's one all-purpose magical box that heals, re-arms, and repairs.  A treadwell seems an excellent element in making that more...well, "realistic" I suppose.  I like it...I definitely like it.

Well, that's part of that question, sort of.  I was never really under the assumption that they'd be identical to the 2142 weapons.  But the exact thing I'd like to know is whether or not they'll be different in such a way that they'll not be too accurate, too inaccurate, too jumpy, too weak, or too powerful.  There're few weapons in 2142 which I can say perform as they ought to, and I'm very hopeful that such won't be the case for your mod.

Yes, I understand that the two factions are equipped differently and that therefore the modellers/skinners need to create the appropriate models/skins for two different factions.  But that definitely wasn't what I was referring to.

Perhaps a better example:  I saw there were several different types of grenades, a couple off the top of my head which I think I recall being the cryoban and glop grenades.  Those seem to be without purpose or function.  Especially in the case of a glop grenade, 'cause that thing's supposed to make you incapable of moving.  Would that be a useful tool in war?  Yeah.  But for a game, the purpose of which is not to agitate the players but to entertain, it's sort of a different story;  it'd only be irritating, like the present anti-air EMP missiles.

I think perhaps you need to re-read my post.  In there somewhere I'm quite sure there's something about the variety of weapons allowing player-to-player customization according to preferred playing styles.

Example:  I read somewhere something about an E11 and an E11b being implemented, the E11 being a medium-range carbine, and the E11b being the 'sniper rifle.'  Now, let's assume that these two variations are available to the 'assault' class.  It would be silly to give the E11b a sniper-class scope, but what you could do is tweak it in such a way that it's more accurate than the standard E11 (which is, if I recall correctly, notoriously inaccurate).  You may also want to modify its rate of fire to be a little slower, or maybe even eliminate the possibility of a fully-automatic setting altogether.  That may or may not violate the functions of canon (I'm not aware of the exact details on the E11 and E11b), but that sort of thing is what one needs, I think, to make a shooter of the 2142-style breed more fun and more fair.  And, you'd see that your various weapons for the various classes would all be used, because there are several different styles of play from person to person.  I'd probably end up using what I've just now described as the E11b, because again, I'd rather be precise at the sacrifice of all else (though again with exceptions).

No.  Perhaps I should clarify that my view of a "normal Stormtrooper" is someone of the 'assault' class.  He could have a variety of different sorts of blasters, or even other weapons such as a flechette launcher...the Star Wars universe is full of weapons!  But, if you do something to that effect, you may end up allowing players to violate canon.  I, for one, think that's just fine, as long as everything is as close as it can be to canon while still operating in an acceptable, reasonable, fun and fair sort of way.

No...I wouldn't be complaining because there are different classes.  The sniper is a class.  If I wanted a sniper rifle, I'd have spawned as a sniper, or taken the kit off of someone's body.

But on the 'rank-and-unlock' system (because I think that here is a good point to place this), I don't really care for it.  I'd rather have access to everything the game has to offer from the start.  While I like the concept of "earning things," the way it's done in Battlefield is so silly, so arbitrary, that I find it just annoying or stupid or pointless.  But it's tolerable, and at the same time, it gives people a sort of goal to work towards.  Some get some kind of strange joy out of collecting badges and pins, and others get a kick out of ranking up.  My goal is to win battles and ultimately the war, but to each his own, I suppose.  I only referred to the potential good in utilizing the ranking system to implement the many weapons because the system is there, and people would probably expect you to put it to use anyway.

See two 'sections', for lack of a better term, above.  I think either you're misinterpreting my words, or I didn't write coherently enough to get my desired point across.  Generally, it tends to be the latter or a mixture of the two.

And I think that perhaps you're just missing the point. 

You're using the 2142 engine..
You're using the 'available code and restrictions' of the game..
You're using the same general class set-up., to my understanding.
And you're making it of the same genre, obviously.  Or so I hope.

Now, I see perfectly that you're making an entirely new game.  But I think that what you don't see is that it'll be very much like 2142.  There are shooters, and there are different styles of shooters, such as deathmatches and team deathmatches.  The Battlefield series has introduced a squad-based, 'modern-ish' style of shooter.  But perhaps it's just the way I think that tells me that your mod can only turn out to be either a better version or a worse version of the 2142 style of shooter.  Sure, it will look different, and apparently there are things you all are trying to implement that haven't been seen in any Battlefield, but I think that ultimately, those things will matter very little, for me at least, and I'll see either a better or worse rendition of Battlefield 2142 with a Star Wars skin.  I think perhaps there's more on that I should say, but again, I can't think of it.  I hope you get my meaning, though.

I don't care about NPCs; it's a multiplayer game, and so I imagine that your mod will be the same.  Though there is that "conquest co-op" which has bots, and which no one ever plays for reasons I can only speculate on.

But, if there were a Wookiee on one of the factions, and I killed one, I suppose I would be neat to take his Ryyk blade.  But that certainly doesn't mean you should put forth effort into making sure that I can do just that.  The specific case seems an insignificant thing;  sure, it's a Ryyk blade and looks more nifty than my knife, but they're both going to kill a target with one stab/slash (probably, unless you folks alter that.  Again I use the word 'alter').

Well, I'm getting a little bored with repeating myself, but I think you know generally what I'd say in response to those first two sentences. 

But, in response to your second sentence, excluding the last three words, which ought not be commented on because they're opinion and it would only be a cyclical bunch of arguments: 

"THIS IS NOT A BATTLEFIELD GAME WITH STAR WARS ELEMENTS! THAT'S CALLED BATTLEFRONT"

You couldn't be further from the truth.  Battlefront is a completely different style of shooter.  I don't know if you're one of the several 'THX' variants I saw playing that game for two years since the day of its release, but I should hope that you're not, and that you're rather just one of the several folks who played it for a short while and abandoned it for whatever reason.

Bottom line, here...one-hundred percent, irreputable fact:  The Battlefield series and Star Wars Battlefront are two entirely different styles of shooter.  Their biggest and almost only similarity is that they both have weapons in them.

Again, not going to repeat myself.  Though there's nothing wrong with thinking of something new, as long as it's not as silly as a battle walker.  And improvement...well, that would still be a sort of parallel, only a better parallel.

And another "no."  Perhaps you should re-read my last post, here, where I take back the statement about making it immersive being wasteful.  Just as long as the gameplay is in order.

Now, as for this...it's, ehh..worrisome:

"...whenever your magicallly accurate pistol is out of ammo."

...And so I have a question specifically for you:  What is your role, exactly, amidst the developers?

I have read the website.  I was ignorant to the exact purpose of the mod.  Now I understand the purpose of the mod.  And I'm happy you've said this, because now I'm going to keep your exact words in mind when it's released:  "ACCURATE to Star Wars, yet fun!"  I'm glad to hear that, though I wish "fair" was included, because as the concept of "fun" is relative, the quality of the final product arouses worry.

Oh, the crack about the AT-ST and the battle walker was supposed to be sarcastic/jokish;  I didn't really expect an occurrence like that, since I've been aware that accuracy to the universe is important to you folks.  I really...really...really...really hate battle walkers.

Eh, your disadvantage listing is a bit of a worry.  If I recall correctly, they're also a lot more fragile than your standard TIE fighter, and that, I'm positive, would be an appropriate, and probably sufficient, disadvantage.

Relevance is relative.

Your perception of my questions, after reading this one fragment, appears extremely flawed.

Indeed.  But how else do you expel ignorance than by asking questions?  Though, I admit to not being fully aware of the mod's purpose;  I was initially under the assumption that it was going to be a project intended only to be accurate and immersive in regard to the Star Wars universe, but, as you so kindly informed me...

"ACCURATE to Star Wars, yet fun!"

...there's more to it than just that. 

For that, I apologize.  I attribute it to the fact that intent is often hard to deccipher in text, but in my case I think it's especially so;  even when I speak, it tends towards monotony, which is often perceived as arrogant or snobbish.  Such has never, even in this reply, been the case.

Mmmhmm, bull's-eye.  I bet it seems silly to respond to this portion after the one just above, but the reason is that the way I reply is that I read, find something I want to respond to, write my response to it, and then continue reading.  But I assure you, there're no hard feelings on my end! 

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