whether you want jedi or not the engine cannot handle them

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INGAME NAME: btcc

#1, I could not care less if Jedi were in the mod. If you thought this was my goal then you clearly have missed the single driving point of my argument.

#2, if we're going to devolve into calling each others thoughts on the matter "stupid" then let me point out the stupidity of NOT catering to the larger audience. DEATH OF THE MOD.

Maybe you're happy with 2-8 people on the server at a time, running what should be massive, epic space battles, that instead have most of the ships dormant in space.

This mod has great potential, and even if my distaste for adding Jedi rivaled your own, I would have the sense to make concessions if I thought it may serve the greater good. We cannot have everything we want, and sometimes in giving up one thing, we get something greater. Sometimes the greater good must be achieved through sacrifice.

In any event, nothing need be lost by adding Jedi. If they were added (again as one or two pick up kits) and either they couldn't be implemented properly, or failed to generate the popularity I forsee, they can be removed withe the following patch.

If you're telling me however, that you would rather see the mod die than even consider making REVOCABLE concessions, your outlook is sadly far too extreme for me to make further attempts reason with.

Would I prefer to play First Strike with a "noob" percentage equal to other Battlefield franchise games in full servers, playing through fully realized epic scenarios, or would I prefer to scrounge around eeking out half-games with all non-noobs in an amazing mod that is crying to have it potential realized? I think you know my answer to that.

Yes, you're going to probably see more "noobs" as you call them, but not in a higher percentage than in any other game.

Let me go on to say that, while I have met some fine folks playing First Strike, the behavior I've run into from the tiny # of players encountered while playing this mod has not always been positive. Tking, hate-talk, noobish gameplay...Oh, let me tell you, I don't think I've seen a more copious volume of Stupid per capita in any other game truth be told.

Saying that adding Jedi correlates into a higher noob RATIO is a non sequitur. There may be more noobs, but also more players, leaving the good player to noob ratio pretty much the same. Just because someone likes Jedi doesn't make them a "noob" is just makes them someone who places their idea of fun over what would be considered canon.

Further, would people leave if we added Jedi. Sure, the vocal minority MIGHT. If you think the voices on this board represent the majority however, I think you would find this to be untrue.

The survival of the mod is, IMO, more important that the participation of any one player. It's just good utilitarian sense, and even going beyond pure utilitarianism, and into the QUALITY of the players playing the mod afterward, as I mentioned above, I don't see this suffering.

Remember, again, this is revocable, and even if made permanent, that would only occur if it was able to be successfully implemented, and further, demonstrated itself to be instrumental in making the mod successful. Even then we're talking about maybe 1 jedi per side on a 32 person server, and again, though in canon they were quite devastating, if we can step outside of that preconceived notion, then their powers, and thus their potential impact on the game can be limited. Personally I prefer things as authentic as possible too, but I'm willing to make concessions if it may mean we can play this game to its full potential.

Granted, we're talking about a lot of IFs here, but it's ideas we need guys. We can't be putting all our eggs in the idea that "well maybe the mods just slow because of the BF2142 patch fubar" and hope things will pick up. We need to be proactive and we need contingencies. Will Jedis ever see the light of day in the mod? Maybe not. However, it is an idea that VERY WELL MAY help the current situation, and thus it would be negligent of us to not, with open minds, at the very least explore the possibility.