Re: Where did everyone go?

Well, could you ask NICELY for the devs to unban you, (you may be already unbanned, I don't know) and just go and re-earn the awards. its not that hard and doesn't take that much time.

100 (edited by FSDev| Woodrow 2008-07-08 17:50:17)

Re: Where did everyone go?

You guys shouldn't bother arguing his points, because that's exactly what he wants.  By fighting him you give him attention and give his actions some validation.   Sinking to his sad little level really isn't worth the time or effort, as he has now demonstrated for quite a while that his opinion isn't of any value, nor is he decent enough to show the respect owed to others that he somehow thinks he deserves himself.

If he feels so strongly that he is right and we're wrong then he's more than welcome to build his own mod to show everyone "how it's supposed to be done."  Just because he said we had to change things doesn't mean we do or will.  The real difference between him and us is we have completed a lot of very good work, and all he's done is sat in a corner whining.  If you lot think you need to win him over then feel free to keep giving him what he wants: attention.  If (like me) you don't find his comments or actions helpful to the community then just stop giving him the time of day.

When he builds his own work then he can set the rules however he likes.  Until then he just has to learn that he's a visitor here, not someone of any power or authority.  His opinion is just that, an opinion.  There are no rights, only priviledge.  We're more than happy to share our work with everyone and gain feedback from it.  But because we're the ones building it we're the ones who get to choose which views are valid and which aren't.  We're also the ones who have the skill, knowledge, and eventual responsibility to sort through all the ideas and put them into form here.  Whether he agrees with us or not it's our call, not his.  He either has to accept that or not play the mod.

That's the lesson he really needs to learn.  This is not a matter of whether something is fair or not.  But because we were not interested in treating him as if he was in charge and his views were more important than our own, especially considering the fact he has done nothing to benefit this mod before or after release, he threw a tantrum and continues to do so.  If you're going to act like a child then we will treat you like a child, end of story.

Someone want to press the lock button on this thread?

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101 (edited by FSDev| Woodrow 2008-07-08 17:53:29)

Re: Where did everyone go?

Oh, and the post above in no way gives permission for you to use any FirstStrike works or assets in the construction of your own mod.  Gotta make all the assets yourself matey smile

And for all the other fans out there, please don't take this to mean that we don't want to hear your views.  WE DO!  We LOVE getting feedback on everything, and most of our work has been built off the feedback of the players (first the testing team, then from the first release).  Yeah, we may not always agree and we won't always change things your way but feel free to put it down anyway, so long as it is constructive and friendly.  If it's good we're more than happy to fix the issue smile

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102 (edited by MrMonkey 2008-07-08 18:11:39)

Re: Where did everyone go?

Twigs wrote:

I would like some evidence to that first statement. In many cases criticism compounds the problem for an individual rather than allows them to learn from it. Simply stating 'thats crap try something else' add's nothing to learn from without having the positive pointed out.

When you get a paper back in English or a test back Math class, how much is in red ink and how much is in green?  Typicaly the Red will out number the green by atleast 80% (proportionate to the grade of said document of course but in general).  Things that are found wrong or that could be done better are pointed out alot more then the things that are done right (unless they are exeptional, which is why I point out how much I like Infanty Combat).

If my son fails to catch a ball, I dont say "you missed, try again". He doesnt learn from that. Instead, I say "Nearly! Put your hands up and watch the ball". Now he is prepared for the next step. He has made a mistake but been given guidance. Without guidance you do not learn.

Also saying "Ok, this time try looking at the ball" or "Keep your eye on the ball!" or if they get something right "Good, now don't get cocky kid" wink  You compliment your son even if he fails because you do not want him to get discuraged because, as a child, this can easly happen.  As you grow up you typicaly get less and less encuragement when you fail.  I like to think of the Devs as adults, not kids... typicaly :-P

Yes you have every right to defend yourself. However, I personally feel that many of your posts have given nothing constructive to a subject. Many of those posts that you claim are to defend your position have shown arrogance and contempt. Before you go flaming me, note that I said in MY opinion and MANY of your posts. That does not mean I speak for any group, team or indiviual or on the forums, nor does it refer to every post you have made.

I do feel some contempt toward some members of the Dev team for the actions they did or initiated against me.  Kinda hard to keep that out entierly, but I do actualy keep most of it out of my posts wink.
I would like you to point out the posts that are not about the Bann/Wipe that are pure criticism with out any mention on how (atleast I feel) it could be improved.   Thought I had been doing decently well on that stand sad

I'm afraid that once again you are off the mark. There are no yes men feeding ego's here. In fact more often there are clashes where one idea is dropped in favour of another. This is often because thats just what the dev team is limited to. If the answer "we're sorry its not possible in this engine" isnt good enough, then this isnt the game for you.

I have seen many number of posts that mention any possible short coming with the mod Imediatly jumped on by atleast 3-5 people saying nothing is wrong at all with the mod and that its perfict.....

The only time I have not fully accepted engine restrictions is in the boardable capital ships.   This is because Titans can move with people walking around in the front section and some down below, with little to no lag (that I have experianced).  I would think if the winding corodores and vehicles in them were removed it would be very playable.

I myself have added many opinions to what should be done to either improve the gameplay or make it more realistic, but I cant have it my way. A game is not meant to feed an individual but a group. If the majority like it then why should it be changed to suit one lone voice?

True, but have you been banned for voicing those opinions and suggestions?

Computer games are far different, I can practice for 5 minutes on a game and be as good as anyone else, not so in reality. As for the idea of the thing, if you had an olimpic medal taken from you for no good reason then you could complain, but you have lost meaningless pixels on a screen that nobody but you cares about. If you so desperatley need to earn a reward I advise you to make it worthwhile. Go earn a medal of bravery by saving some kids or win olimpic gold. We are all here to have fun, not listen to people like you who cry about things that never existed to begin with! Those things being PIXELS, NOT REAL ACOMPLISHMENTS

LOLOLOL

Im sure with just a few minutes of practive you could beat Fatal1ty at any of the games he plays.   Diference being, he trains for 8 or so hours a day.  Note, not Plays, but Trains.  Both Physical and mental training along with watching matches he has played in the past to improve his performace.

I bet you, if those Olympians who win were given nothing but a pat on the back, or some pixles, they would feel just as good about them selves than if they were given the medal.   Being rewards for being good at something is the same no matter the venue.   For anyone to then take that away, for no reason, is also the same.

Woodrow wrote:

Implying I don't appreciate what the dev team has made or that I have any disrespect for them

I have never stated I disrespect any of the team nor have I trivialized anything yall have done.  I have great respect for the mod yall have made and know that it is way past my level of programing or anything.  I am purly a designer pritty much, Ideas and thats it.  Its what I do as a job and what I do for fun.

I have only "Whinned" about the bann/wipe.  If by that you mean Enquire why it happened and imply that I feel slighted...

And yes Woodrow, your exmaples have said that you do like Feedback, but not to give to much Negative feedback or else you will punish those who are giving it....


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Well, could you ask NICELY for the devs to unban you, (you may be already unbanned, I don't know) and just go and re-earn the awards. its not that hard and doesn't take that much time.

Getting back up to the top 10 with a 3000-4000 point penalty on me and no garontee of it not happening again seems a bit tiresome and Un-Fun.

Oh and I know that im still banned since I can't acces the site at all (w/o some sort of proxy) from home.

Re: Where did everyone go?

>> looks toward woodrow , " hand me the syringe " <<
-door locks-

/the light bulb hanging over the table dims/

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104 (edited by Bandu 2008-07-08 20:27:47)

Re: Where did everyone go?

MrMonkey/RagNoRock, Lets not bullshit anyone here, stop acting the victim. I do not know what happened with the incident of you teamkilling, since I wasn't there, but I remember alot of your posts , and whilst I cant remember the comments off hand, they were not constructive in any way, shape or form. Your comments were extremely dis-respectful, to say the least. If you can't even admit to that, without blaming someone else, then you fully deserve these pages of scorn (tho it was not the intention of my original post to you - I was just stating a fact) and any which shall follow.

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