1 (edited by Bandu 2015-12-17 17:01:08)

Topic: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]

Anyone else seen it yet? What are your thoughts?

My initial impressions are fairly positive to positive. Will need to see it again a few times but...

The Good:

Han: Felt his character was treated well. I liked that he went back to work rather than be happily married to Leia. The reason he was doing what he was doing made sense. Was awesome when he and Chewie broke through the door big_smile Will be sad to see SW without him from now on

Kylo/Ben Solo: My favourite scene with him was when he was sat on his own struggling with the lightside. Nice to see a villain who is conflicted in private and one who isn't that advanced in his abilities.


Felt real. Apart from a couple of exceptions the CGI was used sparingly and done well

Rey finding Luke's lightsaber. Just a very good scene. Hearing Yoda was the icing on the cake

Funny moments: There were a few genuinely funny moments. eg. when we first meet C3PO.  BB8 'thumbs up', BB8 electrocuting Finn, the stormtroopers turning around as Kylo was having a meltdown. Chewie saying that he was cold big_smile

Hux: The Tarkin of the movie, tho he does seem to get a lot more enjoyment out of blowing planets up than the Grand Moff did. Pretty epic rallying cry

Lightsaber duels. The campy over-choreographed prequel duels are gone. Duels are heavy now and more reminiscent of ROTJ

The Ending/Luke

Chewie: I reckon he is probably my favourite part of the movie tbh. Was never really into him in the OT but he was just great in this one


The Bad:

Maz whats her face:  I have only ever seen 1 CGI char who has been pulled off well, Gollum. And he needed to be CGI because of the way he moves.
I don't see why she needed to be CGI. The rest of the aliens looked great as puppets/prosthetics. She's just a small orange person, they should have hired a small actor/used a puppet

Snoke: Easily my least favourite part/aspect. Not a fan at all. Guess I was somewhat prejudiced against him before the movie due to his name - Snoke sounds dumb to me.
Anyway, he looks like some LOTR Orc cast off. I was cringing when we first see him thinking he was some giant. Thankfully it was just a hologram!
Don't like seeing important characters be CGI. Imagine if the Emperor was CGI, you wouldn't really feel his emotions, his lust for power and his sheer enjoyment in being evil.
We don't know much about him but I would have preferred to have seen someone different, Plagueis, for instance, would have been interesting - by playing the long game over Sideous - would have been an even more powerful villain than the Emperor

(Surprisingly) Music: Alot of the time it didn't feel like Star Wars, instead more generic action score esp. in battle sequences. Didn't really catch any themes, unlike the OT and the PT. Hoping this is just because it was the first time I've heard any of it but I remember enjoying the score of the PT more right away.

Some of the comedy felt abit *ahem* forced and like stuff I've seen a thousand times. eg. Finn and Rey talking over one another. A few of their interactions were a bit like that tbh. On the whole tho the comedy was good and it was based on dialogue not on goofy Jar Jar type crap, so this is nitpicking. Probably the funniest SW movie to date. Infact the more I think about it the more I find it funny


The What?

R2D2: The whole deactivated/reactivated aspect felt a bit contrived. Hopefully this is explained later on. I'm guessing Luke is controlling him and watching over Leia et al

Poe: Found it odd that he was not suspicious about a First Order trooper helping him escape (as a means of him leading them to BB8). They were best buds straight away hmm
I didn't catch what Poe said to Finn later explaining how he disappeared tho.


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I'm hoping the next episode is a little less safe. TFA was high paced, very action-orientated, very light-hearted and very similar to ANH - sand planet, searching for droids, blowing up the deathstar/starkiller base before it blows up the Rebel base.

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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]

Yeah, I saw the midnight show on Wednesday, pretty much agree with everything you've said there.

The review from Empire Magazine pretty much nails it on the head actually.

http://www.empireonline.com/movies/star … ns/review/

Came out of cinema grinning at around 3 am in the morning, and I'd never seen the place so packed, looks like they had TFA running in every screen for that first midnight show or something. Everyone was just buzzing.

I loved it, but like you say, probably need a little distance and perhaps a few repeat watchings to be truly objective about it. As at the moment you're just on a high after first watching a new Star Wars movie, need to come down and make considered critical analysis, but even now you're view is probably still influenced by the relief that it did not suck.

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I also think a certain line regarding the Force is destined to be an instant classic.

"That's NOT how the Force works!"

lol


Yeah, come to think of it I found the music a little underwhelming which definitely a surprise for a Star Wars movie. It wasn't bad exactly, just nothing jumped out and gripped me from the new themes that were introduced. Even the classic Star Wars fanfare felt a little different at the beginning, maybe that was intentionally a slightly different arrangement to differentiate it from the previous 6? Perhaps the new music will take more of a hold of me on repeat viewings, listening to the OST etc?


Regarding the other films, according to Lawrence Kasdan the remaining two (of the trilogy) will be quite different animals, even though they'll have a continuing through story, each director is going to bring their own unique thang to it apparently. So if you think the first one was too safe you should find the next ones more to your liking perhaps.

I understand the relative lack of risk taking with the first one though, you're trying to achieve a very tricky alchemy of rekindling the sort of box office/pure cinematic gold that only comes once a generation, so just trying to get that formula right, and make the new Star Wars familiar, but new, and satisfy fans old and new alike is a great ask in and of itself, it has to essentially reestablish the franchise as a cinematic brand, and then lay down strong foundations for what comes next, and it does this in spades. Yes, it perhaps does retread a little too much familiar ground, but it also offers enough new and original material to not come across like a trite cover band version.

I also like how they're taking a bit of a cue from the EU with some of the choices being made, so they have not totally scrapped it, they have mined it for some of the good ideas that came out of that.

It was very much a thankless task JJ took on there, and boy done good in my opinion. He brought back the Star Wars we all know and love, and brought enough new to the table to leave us feeling pretty secure about the franchise's future, there definitely looks like there is more interesting story to be told in that galaxy far, far away...

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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]

Saw it last night and I would agree with the good stuff you've listed and some of the Bad.

The BB8 thumbs up was very funny as was several other parts including "That's not how the force works!" big_smile

I'm thinking Snoke was using an emperor like projection to make himself look like a giant and that he's probably not that big, as for the other CGI characters none of them had a big enough role in my opinion to effect the movie in a negative way.

None of the music really jumped out as Star Wars, except at the ending, I think when I watch it again I might notice some of the soundtrack, the theater was rather loud at times.

One of my favorite scenes was Chewie shooting Ben Solo after he killed Han, then proceeding to kill most of his stormtroopers. Then the wound severally weakening him for the rest of the movie. Still going to miss Han though, and I hope that no other major characters suffer the same fate.

One thing that bugged me was when they said the Republics fleet was destroyed, what did that MEAN; was it a sector fleet or were we supposed to believe that the whole republic fleet was in ONE system.

Still a good movie, with more humor that I had expected, like whenever Ben Solo had a meltdown. Also C-3P0 and R2-D2 continue their movies alive streak.

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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]

Do you think Rey quickly discovered her force abilities because she was one of Luke's students as a kid? (with maybe Luke 'wiping' her memories when he gave up teaching). IIRC, Han said Kylo wasn't his only student

She got to grips with the force quicker than Luke did.

On Rey, I thought Daisy did a great job. However, in terms of writing, whilst funny, I'm not sure it was a good idea to make a joke out of her using the mind trick to escape It was her first conscious effort to use the force, iirc. Would have preferred it being treated more seriously.
BTW, where did she get the idea of the Jedi mind trick? Honestly can't remember.

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5 (edited by Gwynzer 2015-12-19 00:54:24)

Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]

So I went to see it in the midnight release and just as the speech on the First Order Death Planet started, the projector broke. Had to travel 2 hours to get to a bloody imax and didn't even get to see the full film!  Thankfully they refunded and gave us free tickets so it all worked out, even if I had to wait a few days to go.

Just came back from seeing it again and I have to say, I really super enjoyed it.  The plot felt a bit recycled, and the music was most certainly not that notable. The only time I noticed the music (and the 2nd time thru I was paying attention) was adaptions of the themes from the OT, like leias theme, the force etc. In saying that, sometimes there NOT being music in the action sequences made them feel a lot more serious.


Everything to do with the Starkiller I felt was dumb... does it move? Were there two stars in the system originally and it already sucked up all it's energy? They shot at the republic (was that Coruscant? Who knows, no one seemed to give a crap!) and destroyed multiple worlds. Outside of the statement that the republic is "supporting" the Rebels, it's the only mention of them. What is the current state of the galaxy and why are "rebels" fighting and not the republic in full?  Also another thermal exhaust port... I mean heat vibration dampener thing.   As jackroy said, what happened to the "fleet"? We saw and heard of no "fleet" except it being destroyed... why was Ackbar (sounded and looked a bit like Ackbar, they called him Admiral, was it Ackbar?) not with the fleet?

Also silver lady stormtrooper felt just totally dumb to me, and I don't get what the point of her character was at all, except to look shiny and fabulous. I figure she'd maybe be some kind of elite soldier, but she gave in to the death threat so quickly it was baffling. I figured that she'd at least try to fight the infiltrators or call for help or something.


Re Poe coming back, he said he woke up in the middle of the night with no sign of Finn or the ship, and made his way back to the resistance.




I liked the Kylo Ren, that scene with the Vader mask was brilliant, though as soon as he took of his helmet I thought his hair game was craaaazy.  Also I like the name Ben, which is what Luke called his son in the EU, although I felt for a Han / Leia child it was maybe a bit of an odd name, as he was only really an influence for Luke.

The fights and action sequences throughout the film were awesome. I was super confused at one point about how the stolen TIE fighter was a 2 man crew and shot backwards and stuff, but we only see "standard" fighters thru the rest of the film, but on that partial rewatch I saw there were some quite significant differences in the models.  The Lightsaber fights were interesting and a lot better than the prequel trilogy. At first though I felt that Ren was toying with Finn but Finn actually got a pretty decent hit in so I'm not too sure if Ren is just a rubbish duelist or Finn is super lucky.  It also looked like something got cut off Ren at the end of the fight (I figured right hand, fitting in with the family), but in the next few frames he seems to have all his limbs attached, not sure if I just missed it as you only saw for a few seconds.



I'm left thinking that Rey is perhaps more related to the OT family than was let on. She feels the connection to the Skywalker lightsaber ("How I got that is a story for another time... eugh). Ren left her alive for some reason (it was his voice in her Jakku child flashbacks), and he took quite a lot of interest in her just after the Jakku escape. Han liked her straight off and even Leia seemed to have a super connection to her... they embraced after the falcon landed at the end after planet boomed despite that being the first meeting, and she totally ignores Chewie walking past. 

I figure she's either another Solo child or the daughter of Luke. She is younger than Ren and it's possible that the Solos/Skywalker saw the darkness in him and decided to raise her purely as a Child of the Jedi like the jedi of old, rather than having a "Solo" childhood, and they don't want to risk her also falling to the dark side by telling her the truth. Ren would be a lot less willing to kill his Sister/Cousin than the rest of the Jedi.

I also figure she gained her new force amazeballs abilities after the vulcan mind meld with Ren. She fought back and got in his mind, and with that possibly also learned how to actually use the force with his knowledge.

Chewie was great the entire way through, and my heart leapt when he got shot near the beginning.  I expected more vocal fury at Han getting cut down, but him going all out against the stormtroopers covered that quite nicely.  Han was fantastic all the way though, I felt his death coming was obvious but that didn't make it any less shocking or sad.  I felt that Leia was a bit poor, it wasn't quite "bad" but Fisher was defo the least convincing of the original cast.

The ending was fantastic, I don't know if I can way 2 years to see what happens next.  I hoped we'd see something actually substantial of the "Original Jedi Temple", I get that it'd be old but it just looked like any random island off of the UK, but I imagine we'll be seeing more in Episode 8.




Thoroughly enjoyed the film, and I'm really looking forward to what's going to happen next.  Most certainly going to see it again in the local cinema.  Thumbs up
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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]

Excellent movie. Even knowing the story beforehand there were still plenty of surprises thankfully.

Rey and Finn were great characters. I felt the bond they formed being both from really lonely upbringings. Kylo Ren was pretty cool and had some real depth to him(and we've only scratched the surface). There were rumors he might be killed at the end by Snoke and I'm glad it didn't happen. I worried that Han wouldn't "feel" right but he was totally Han Solo. A little wiser, but still Han. His death, though expected was set up really well(ominous feeling leading up to it, the "Rey" of light shining down on the both of them, the conflict in Ben, etc). Adam Driver did a good job. Carrie did well as Leia IMO as well. The droids all played their part.

The visuals were stellar for the most part, with perhaps the weakest link being the CGI characters(mostly Snoke---they might have rushed the rendering a bit as they had trouble figuring out what he would look like). Set design was amazing.

The score was decent. There werent many stand out themes on first viewing. I feel certain themes like Leia's theme were overused(seemed like any time han and leia were on screen together they used it---I think 3 times maybe). The only theme that I can really remember is the one used when Rey was walking the steps at Skellig Michael(whatever the planet is called) and it felt a lot like the new Star Trek theme...I wonder if dude who did those didn't contribute that piece. Probably not but it was very similar. Still the music mostly was unnoticed, which I suppose is the goal anyway.

Weak points(though VERY minor) for me would have to be the appearance and character of Snoke for one. I'll grant we know nothing about him but he just isn't threatening or interesting at this point. I really think they will go the Darth Plagueis route with him which would instantly add some depth to him. He doesn't strike me as outright moustache twirling evil as Palpatine was and from some things I've heard Plagueis wasn't either. Captain Phasma was a bit of a letdown due to how well received she was in the leadup to the movie. I don't think they anticipated how big of a character she could have been. I think we'll see more of her though(she survived the trash compactor!!---boba fett all over again lol). Also the jokeyness was a *little* bit much at times with Finn, but that is a small thing. The pacing was almost perfect but I think it *could* have done with more quiet reflective type moments. Maybe not.

I don't want to bash the prequels. But I honestly have trouble imagining I will be able to enjoy them now.

My Mom was raving about it afterwards. She had never seen anything like it. lol. She wants to book tickets for the next ones and wanted to see the movie again straight away. She has never seen a Star wars movie before this and she is almost 60 years old. I think it is time to pull out the bluray set and see how she likes the rest(though maybe not the prequels---dunno). Standouts for her were the set design, Adam Driver's performance, the creatures, and the 3D(which was surprisingly quite good for a post-converted movie!).

I loved it.

7 (edited by Gwynzer 2015-12-19 12:28:55)

Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]

FSDev| JayBiggS wrote:

I think it is time to pull out the bluray set and see how she likes the rest(though maybe not the prequels---dunno).

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Starts off with the better-but-worse-looking films and Darth Vader is still somewhat mysterious of a character. The daddy reveal comes on and the you get to see his fall to the dark side, and then there's the final confrontation.

Episode 1 can honestly be skipped, it's not so much due to it being a "bad" movie, but it honestly brings nothing to the story that couldn't be explained in 2 minutes. "The Jedi found Anakin on Tatooine where he and his mother were slaves, they freed him(but not mommy), started training him to be a jedi and at the same time he fell in love with a Queen who is now a senator".

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