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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]
Bandu wrote:I think Rey is a Skywalker. Luke's saber 'called out' to her and well, just based on Daisy, a near Keira Knightly (Padme double in the PT) clone, she looks like one. (Part of the reason I was sure Kylo was a Solo was because Adam Driver kind of looks a bit like a little bit longer faced Harrison Ford). It doesn't appear that she's Kylo's sister, as I thought beforehand, so it only leaves Luke. Maybe Leia had her after she and Han split, tho you'd think Leia would sense it. It'd make poetic sense that the only person who could find a Skywalker was a Skywalker, plus I can't see the New Trilogy centering on a non Skywalker. Whatever her lineage, it seems obvious that Luke 'mind wiped' her before hiding her away.
Perhaps. A Jedi mind wipe would explain her lack of knowledge about what happened to her, but from the sound of her telling her back story she seems to know who her folks are, she's just been left on Jakku by them. Unless these are implanted memories, or surrogate parents that she remembers, like Owen and Beru Lars. Yeah, my bad regarding the characters who see the planetary destruction, but the point still stands, because when they go on about the power of Star Killer Base's main weapon they do seem to be saying that it can be fired from longer distances, as in from other star systems to the target. And once it has destroyed whatever star system it was we saw bite the superlaser bolt it then pretty much instantly re-targeted on the Resistance base, and the Resistance starfighters jumped out of hyperspace to attack Starkiller, so that had to be in a different system. Like I say, not as clear as it could be that part.
16 Reply by Jackroy 2015-12-23 16:30:39 (edited by Jackroy 2015-12-23 16:31:18)
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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]
Just got back from a 2nd viewing, and I saw a few new things. 1st the music was more noticeable than last time with some good scores. 2nd the system that the weapon destroyed was the HA-Z-EN system(don't know how they spell it), and it seems that the Resistance, just thought the Republic fleet(or the part of it in the area) was gone not the whole Republic government. 3rd The First Order is using a new kind of Star Destroyer, rather than the Imperial Class from the original trilogy. 4th in Rey's vision when she picks up Luke's lightsaber at the end it sounded like it could be Snoke's voice, or the old man's that gave poe the map at the beginning. Still a great movie, with the common complaints being the ones that can be offered about every movie and nothing else too major. I don't want to wait two years for episode 8 
17 Reply by Bandu 2015-12-23 19:33:04 (edited by Bandu 2015-12-23 19:34:02)
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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]
FSDev| TALON wrote:Bandu wrote:I think Rey is a Skywalker. Luke's saber 'called out' to her and well, just based on Daisy, a near Keira Knightly (Padme double in the PT) clone, she looks like one. (Part of the reason I was sure Kylo was a Solo was because Adam Driver kind of looks a bit like a little bit longer faced Harrison Ford). It doesn't appear that she's Kylo's sister, as I thought beforehand, so it only leaves Luke. Maybe Leia had her after she and Han split, tho you'd think Leia would sense it. It'd make poetic sense that the only person who could find a Skywalker was a Skywalker, plus I can't see the New Trilogy centering on a non Skywalker. Whatever her lineage, it seems obvious that Luke 'mind wiped' her before hiding her away.
Perhaps. A Jedi mind wipe would explain her lack of knowledge about what happened to her, but from the sound of her telling her back story she seems to know who her folks are, she's just been left on Jakku by them. Unless these are implanted memories, or surrogate parents that she remembers, like Owen and Beru Lars. Yeah, my bad regarding the characters who see the planetary destruction, but the point still stands, because when they go on about the power of Star Killer Base's main weapon they do seem to be saying that it can be fired from longer distances, as in from other star systems to the target. And once it has destroyed whatever star system it was we saw bite the superlaser bolt it then pretty much instantly re-targeted on the Resistance base, and the Resistance starfighters jumped out of hyperspace to attack Starkiller, so that had to be in a different system. Like I say, not as clear as it could be that part.
Yea, it would appear that Maz' planet wasn't in the Hosnian system either, infact looking at a map it's far away. The Starkiller ending is a bit of a mess all in all. Watched it a 3rd and 4th time now, albeit just a cam, and it really is ANH with bits of ESB thrown in in the middle and ROTJ thrown in at the end After the hype dies down, I can't see it holding up long term which is a disappointment because the new characters are all likeable ...at least on a human level anyway, I think Rey's too much of a superhero tbh. Stupendous pilot, genius mechanic/engineer, amazingly quick to pick up the force, she even invents the Jedi Mindtrick haha, able to best someone who must have 20 years (half with Luke, half with a Sith Lord) more training, knowledge and experience in the force and general lightsaber combat. She's basically at the point Luke was between ESB and ROTJ, I'm not sure a little bit of training from Luke as a little kid can really explain that. Luke was nowhere near as precocious, relying on his friends far more and even in the end it was his humanity and relationship with his father that saved the galaxy and himself, not his leet skills. Whilst I'm on a downer, the more I watch Poe's escape scene the more I dislike it. It's like the writers wanted the OT camaraderie without earning it. Oh and "let's blow up one of the turbolasers on a 2km ship covered in them, this isn't pointless action at all!" Overall, the new characters, the dialogue, the old heroes and some of the visuals (not the CGI) is what makes me like the movie. Huge flaws and irritations slap me across the face thoughout however 
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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]
I don't think that TFA will be seen as only a remake of ANH in the long run. there are enough differences that it should stand, even if its not remembered to be as good as the Original Trilogy, but that was always going to be a hard goal. Some/most of the scenes that look like they are from ANH feel more like their honoring the movie rather than remaking it. As for the escape scene I just watched it a few hours ago and the First Order bridge crew said their turbo-lasers had been destroyed after the escaping fighter fired on those two turrets. I'm quite certain now that ship was not an Imperial-class star destroyer. In the end I think that they way Lucas had written the story for star wars movies will be very different from the way Disney is going to write the stories, it might take some getting used to.
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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]
Indeed. I feel it is a shame that Disney have chosen not to use Lucas' treatments or story outlines for episodes 7-9, as I have always maintained, with the prequels it wasn't the overall story that was at fault, more the execution and the finer details. I think the path to perfect future Star Wars movies would be Lucas plot outlines worked up and developed by writers who can write decent dialogue, and good innovative directors to bring a unique vision to it. So at least with this one they got most of the necessary ingredients in there, they might just be missing that possibly vital touch of Lucas. Though I think we'll have to see what they do with ep. 8 to get a real feel for what they have planned. Though of course we might not need to wait that long, I suppose the first standalone film Rogue One will also give us a good indicator of what can be done in the Star Wars universe with a totally original plot and no Lucas involvement. I also think that this backseat Lucas involvement with new artists moving forward with Star Wars formula is what made The Clone Wars so great. With him basically schooling the team on how to make Star Wars in the beginning, and then just letting them get on with it, and just offering additional guidance if it is asked for. I guess time will tell when we see the rest of the Star Wars material Lucasfilm and Disney have planned get released.
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After another rewatch: The score is actually okay, but there is nothing "memorable". The only things which actually stood out were the OT themes, as said before. For the superweapon firing and everything around it I still find nonsensical. They use the term "lightspeed" a lot more than any other SW film, I'm guessing that "Lightspeed" and "Hyperspace" are interchangeable... moving at light speed it would still take FOREVER to travel around. I figured that as the weapon fires through hyperspace, that's why Han saw it as it was near a Hyperspace route? I never got the feeling that they were in the same system(if there's a source stating otherwise, please correct me). Yes, we see the planets blow up from wherever Han is but I'm going to put that down to the direction as opposed to them making sense. The Republic "Fleet" seemed to be about a dozen bland tiny blips, looked more like merchant ships or something, so I'm still dissatisfied with that. Later on the rebels refer to their 2/3 starfighter wings as their "Fleet", which feels like a massive misuse of the term. On the rewatch again it looks like Kylo gets his hand or at least a limb cut off in one scene, but in the next cut we see him with both hands. I was paying specific attention this time and it did not look like part of his outfit or anything. Looking forward for clarification on that front. Defo convinced that Ray is of Skywalker lineage. A younger Solo or a Skywalker, but defo a relation. There's just something super weird about the meeting she has with Leia + that lightsaber stuff. Bandus theory of a mind wipe of some time I think has merit. Regarding Ray kicking pie with a Lightsaber, remember that Ren has just been shot with the Bowcaster. The bowcaster we saw Han go "woa" to and blow things to pieces multiple times in the movie. They were making a point in saying that that thing was powerful and Ren was still able to put up a decent fight after being hit by it dead on. At the point he got overpowered was when he had his guard slightly lowered as he did the "join the dark side" stuff too, not sure he was expecting such a ferocious counter attack to come from the opponent he'd pretty much already beaten. The next fight we see from him I think will be a lot better.
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21 Reply by Bandu 2015-12-24 01:59:06 (edited by Bandu 2015-12-24 02:00:27)
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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]
I think it's not so much the little flurry she got in right at the end, Kylo probably would have reset himself and killed her if not for the ground splitting them apart. I think it's when you put together that she's amazing at everything. It's a cool moment when she force pulls the lightsaber but it kind of flies in the face of everything we'd seen already - Kylo froze a bolt in mid air in the opening scene, he froze people stiff multiple times, force pull-choked an officer towards him, and had the ability to read minds and maybe even torture people (Poe?) ...but Rey overpowered him at her first attempt at a force-pull? Maybe I'm just a cynical arsehole  Apparently, according to the books released about TFA, Starkilller base moves, and the reason Han and Finn could see the planets being destroyed is because *hand wave* hyperspace reasons *hand wave* Shouldn't need to read books tho to get an explanation. If such an important plot point requires extra material you need to 'go home and rethink your ...plot'
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