Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]

Some information from the movie novelization, specifically touching on the last lightsaber fight and a wee bit on rays Origins:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comme … on_in_tfa/

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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]

Gwynzer wrote:

Everything to do with the Starkiller I felt was dumb... does it move? Were there two stars in the system originally and it already sucked up all it's energy? They shot at the republic (was that Coruscant? Who knows, no one seemed to give a crap!) and destroyed multiple worlds. Outside of the statement that the republic is "supporting" the Rebels, it's the only mention of them. What is the current state of the galaxy and why are "rebels" fighting and not the republic in full?  Also another thermal exhaust port... I mean heat vibration dampener thing.   As jackroy said, what happened to the "fleet"? We saw and heard of no "fleet" except it being destroyed... why was Ackbar (sounded and looked a bit like Ackbar, they called him Admiral, was it Ackbar?) not with the fleet?

This. It's ok that they started a new franchise for millennials. It's ok that they skip all this stuff in the launch of a new franchise, just like Ep:IV, you'll figure it out as you go along.
It's not OK to then call this Episode VII, like its the next chapter in the star wars saga. You can't do both- either continue the story or don't.

We are told, not shown of the disastrous end of the Jedi Academy and the rise of the First order.
No details.
Contrast this with EP:IV which established that the Empire was the authority, diplomacy existed, there exists a senate which will not stand for injustice, the Empire was consolidating power through its super weapon and then the Imperial senate was dissolved offscreen- leaving only the Empire itself in direct control of the galaxy.

Continuing Luke's story, starting us 5 years ago at the Jedi academy where our happily married lovers Han and Leia are dropping in to address concerns that their son is harboring dark thoughts, meanwhile Leia is called away to address an Imperial remnant gathering power...

Covering any of the plot points that must have happened in the meantime would have made for a more interesting story.

Gwynzer wrote:

Also silver lady stormtrooper felt just totally dumb to me, and I don't get what the point of her character was at all, except to look shiny and fabulous. I figure she'd maybe be some kind of elite soldier, but she gave in to the death threat so quickly it was baffling. I figured that she'd at least try to fight the infiltrators or call for help or something.

She is staggeringly bad at her job. She sees the eventual traitor wigging out and does nothing. Her one job is supposedly to keep these brainwashed soldiers in line.
I've heard her best described as a 'shiny pokemon'.

Gwynzer wrote:

The fights and action sequences throughout the film were awesome. I was super confused at one point about how the stolen TIE fighter was a 2 man crew and shot backwards and stuff, but we only see "standard" fighters thru the rest of the film, but on that partial rewatch I saw there were some quite significant differences in the models.

I was all WTF too.
I disagree that the fights were good. In the battle at the lake, an X wing (probably poe) swoops down towards the lake, blasts a tie (fine) but as he pulls back to head skyward, kills two more. No targeting, no tracking, just sweet swoopy moves and wickedsick combos.

The stormtroopers seem to fight as a disorganised mess of individuals rather than the professional soldiers we are shown at the start. Looked like a bad FS game tbh, or battlefront.

TR8R, whilst being cheesy nonsense, was entertaining cheesy nonsense and showed a skill and drive absent from the main villains. Got indiana jones'd, but thats what happens when you drop your blaster rather than simply blast the unarmoured (but plot armoured) Finn to atoms with your rifle.



Gwynzer wrote:

The Lightsaber fights were interesting and a lot better than the prequel trilogy. At first though I felt that Ren was toying with Finn but Finn actually got a pretty decent hit in so I'm not too sure if Ren is just a rubbish duelist or Finn is super lucky.  It also looked like something got cut off Ren at the end of the fight (I figured right hand, fitting in with the family), but in the next few frames he seems to have all his limbs attached, not sure if I just missed it as you only saw for a few seconds.

They were.. ok. There is a reason Luke didn't duel Vader in Ep:IV, he simply couldn't have. I thought they were setting KyleLauren up to be a +1 sithlord with him freezing the blastershot and all, but he is handily dispatched by a strong independent woman with no training.
Had she let go, and the force flowed through her, and been guided by the spirits of Ben, Anikan and Luke's telepathy, no-one would have a problem with her winning against a bloody dark jedi.

Gwynzer wrote:

I also figure she gained her new force amazeballs abilities after the vulcan mind meld with Ren. She fought back and got in his mind, and with that possibly also learned how to actually use the force with his knowledge.

I reckon so too, but that's us speculating wildly and apologising for the film. It should have shown us this, a literal force awakening, with stuff starting to move in the room as they psychically duelled, and Lukes voice calling to her to stay strong and keep the faith etc...

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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]

After the hype dies down, I can't see it holding up long term which is a disappointment because the new characters are all likeable
  ...at least on a human level anyway, I think Rey's too much of a superhero tbh. Stupendous pilot, genius mechanic/engineer, amazingly quick to pick up the force, she even invents the Jedi Mindtrick haha, able to best someone who must have 20 years (half with Luke, half with a Sith Lord) more training, knowledge and experience in the force and general lightsaber combat. She's basically at the point Luke was between ESB and ROTJ, I'm not sure a little bit of training from Luke as a little kid can really explain that.

The new characters, likeable?

These are the same main characters I watched?

Killing is bad guys/watch me kill my former brothers (are you seein' this?)
We are being followed by my former brothers, lets kill them using poison gas while we hide in the floor...

Poe is alright when he is not using an aimbot.

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Re: The Force Awakens [Spoilers]

While VII leaves a lot unsaid, some of it can be explained in the novelization, which IS annoying, they should just say it in the movie unless its a cheap ploy to get people to buy the novel. It also leads to misconceptions among those who never heard any of the stuff in there (and I haven't heard most of it myself).

RSF Angel wrote:

After the hype dies down, I can't see it holding up long term which is a disappointment because the new characters are all likeable
  ...at least on a human level anyway, I think Rey's too much of a superhero tbh. Stupendous pilot, genius mechanic/engineer, amazingly quick to pick up the force, she even invents the Jedi Mindtrick haha, able to best someone who must have 20 years (half with Luke, half with a Sith Lord) more training, knowledge and experience in the force and general lightsaber combat. She's basically at the point Luke was between ESB and ROTJ, I'm not sure a little bit of training from Luke as a little kid can really explain that.

The new characters, likeable?

These are the same main characters I watched?

Killing is bad guys/watch me kill my former brothers (are you seein' this?)
We are being followed by my former brothers, lets kill them using poison gas while we hide in the floor...

I think he was referring to killing the innocent, the Stormtroopers are close to mind-washed killers at this point. I'd have to see it again, but I think he said that he wouldn't kill for the First Order, rather than killing is wrong.

We'll see with later movies if Disney can make them good, they needed to set up the next two, I'll admit they could have done it better but, if the same thing happened to VII that happened to I/II, it would most likely ruin VIII and IX at least, and maybe even the spin-offs. This way VIII and IX will have a chance to be great.