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I also think the original lightsaber dueling and jedi themselves were better . It makes the jedi and the force more mysterious and magical than the over the top choreographed fighting in the prequels.

Basically the prequels are like fast food whilts the originals are a banquet at a fine restaurant smile

I guess it goes with the times.

PS. Dont get me wrong, I do like the prequels and wouldnt say no to more Star Wars movies but just not set after ROTJ .... thatd be like LOTR carrying on after ROTK

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true.... i do agree about your the prequals are like fast food, but I like the prequals b/c of the fights, i mean if they recreated the last 3, they could do a hummer limo full of great action moments, but the movies should follow the same plot as the origional movies. but i would want to see a 7th movie with a huge fight of the remaining empire ships vs. the rebels and a TON of wookies, i mean let the WOOKIES WIN WON FOR ONCE!!!!!

38 Reply by FSDev| TALON (edited by TALON 2006-11-10 09:09:51)

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FSDev| Bandu wrote:

I also think the original lightsaber dueling and jedi themselves were better . It makes the jedi and the force more mysterious and magical than the over the top choreographed fighting in the prequels.

It certainly came across as more graceful and elegant in the original movies, but the lightsaber duel in ANH doesn't even compare on any level with the prequel scraps, or even with the ones in the latter two original trilogy movies. Though I have to admit no lightsaber duel has been as powerful and emotionally gripping as the Luke vs Vader in TESB. And the only one that could have, the Anakin Obi-Wan duel, just didn't cut it. It's like they were desperately trying to beat TESB's duel, and though technically superior I just found it wanting in the end. I guess it had just been bigged up so much as this was essentially the pivotal point of the saga as a whole, and the major reason for even making the prequels was to get to this point. It just wasn't powerful enough (though it came damned close), and was trying too hard. In my opinion the best prequel duel is still Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul, I can watch that sequence till the cows come home, with Yoda's lightsaber action a close second (you can't help but smile whenever the little green dude whips out his weapon).

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TALON wrote:

Have to agree with all of the above.


A problem with a lot of the prequel battle scenes was that you just sort of wander through the action and stuff just happens to be going on around you. With the originals you tended to be more focused on a ship or group of ships as they make their way through the battle, you see things more from the pilot's point of view and these tend to be more engaging, you're right in the thick of it beside Luke as he's about to shove a couple of torpedoes down the Empire's exhaust port. You're suffering from motion sickness along with Lando as he spins and barrel rolls the Falcon through the battle above Endor. You're more emotionally invested in it all.

Dont forget the Snowspeeder flight over the show drifts when they were searching for Luke. smile

I didn't much appreciate the style of direction in the prequel battle scenes.  Too much like the embedded news reporter point of view (especially in Ep II) felt like watching a Bablyon 5 movie rather than Star Wars.  It's funny that the scenes in Ep IV that seemed most 'right' were the ones inspired by (and in some cases imitated shot-for-shot from) WW II newsreel films.

I agree with the other comments too,  Light Saber battles were different, although I thought the whole Darth Maul duel was pretty well done,  and as said before in many a post, The Grevious 'duel' was a wasted opportunity. tongue

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40 Reply by FSDev| TALON (edited by TALON 2006-11-10 11:11:55)

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Yeah, the prequel battle action had a very much 'Wouldn't it be cool if we did this? Or how about if we tried that?' sort of feel about it because that's pretty much how most of the action sequences came about. Effects and previsualisation people knocking out a vast array of ideas for Mr. Lucas to pick and choose from like a buffet, or pick and mix at Woolworths tongue . Which is good in a way because it allows the creatives to really give it their all and turn out some really cool and inventive stuff. The downside however is that it comes across feeling all patchy like a pick and mix, and the action doesn't progress the story forward as much as in the original trilogy because of this. Most things happened in the original trilogy for a reason, not just because they looked cool. Though of course most of it did look cool.

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In my opinion the best prequel duel is still Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs Darth Maul, I can watch that sequence till the cows come home

It's good, but is spoiled by quite a few things.

The gungan-droid battle and Anakin-in-a-fighter distract the viewer from the fight (on youtube you can see the whole fight in one scene and it works much better). Also, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon never work as a team, but instead fight individually. Qui-Gon consistently runs off without Obi-Wan to engage Maul instead of waiting. What's the rush, anyway? Maul isn't going to run until he's finished his job. Qui-Gon ends up dieing because of this.

And those laser shield things... ridiculous. What purpose do they serve in normal times? And then Qui-Gon's death. Instead of out-fighting him properly, Maul simply wacks him in the face with the hilt of his saber.

And then Maul's death. Hasn't he heard of the force? Obi-Wan is hanging by his fingertips, and Maul enver tries to dislodge him. Then he leaps up, where he is exposed in front of Maul for about 2 seconds, and Maul watches while obi cuts him in half. Ridiculous...

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Yeah, I agree the finale is that sequence's weak spot, but I don't mind the rest of it, I guess they kind of go at it like a wrestling tag team, when one gets knocked out or into trouble the other comes in to bail him out and continue the good fight.

I don't mind the laser gates, though they're obviously just a maguffin to service a need in the plot to seperate the two Jedi. The everyday purpose of them is to apparrently prevent arcing energy feedback from the plasma energy reactor core or something.

I also don't mind the way Maul defeats Qui-Gon, it's not about honour and besting a dueling foe in a fair fight, it's war. Not to mentiion the fact he's a Sith, since when have they been renowned for fighting fair? In my opinion Maul would use a cheap trick or any dirty means to defeat his foe.

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