1 Topic by SnakeTheFox (edited by SnakeTheFox 2009-02-08 01:39:10)

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Topic: Replacement for the Rebel Armed Landspeeder

I'm in the mindset that it needs a replacement. No one really uses it, and those that do don't seem to understand how to. While I'm sure a few people will come in and mention that, the fact remains; few people use it as anything more than a quick transport from point A to point B. That's all that really matters, you can rationalize how it isn't used any way you'd like to, but it doesn't change it after the fact.

Also, the only time I remember seeing the speeder is in Episode 1, so it doesn't really make canonical sense that it's now so widely spread in the Alliance.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidenti … ne_speeder

Now, I think the rebels are due for something that more appropriately parrelels that Imperial AT-ST. I've noticed a tendency of developers here to choose vehicles and weaponry often only encountered in the Expanded Universe, and I truly love that about this game.

The trouble I think, is that the Rebellion really doesn't use any walkers (besides small amounts of captured units), and speeders and walkers are two very different platforms, and it's hard to make two units perform similarly for the sake of game balance.

However, I think the Ultra-Light Assault Vehicle comes pretty close.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ultra-Li … lt_Vehicle

As you'll find, it's armed with 2 forward facing laser cannons, a concussive grenade launcher, and a rear-facing medium blaster cannon.

This parallels the AT-ST's 1 medium/light blaster cannon, concussive grenade launcher, and 2 medium blaster cannons fairly well.

To balance its higher speed and wider perception (with the rear-facing turret) when compared to the AT-ST, you could make it weaker in armor and protection, thereby making it similiar to the old combat landspeeder in terms of functionality. The difference being, because of the lack of open-air cockpit, this may be used more for actual combat and thus will correct the problem encountered in the current landspeeder.

It also personifies the Rebel tendency to prefer hit-and-run tactics and ambushes, rather than head-on assaults (which the AT-ST is in turn, more accustomed to).

Well, I've ran my mouth long enough.

Thoughts? Opinions?

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Re: Replacement for the Rebel Armed Landspeeder

Opinions here smile

I use it to good effect as a mobile tripod MKII, myself - I deploy it at a choke point, man the gun, and mow down the attackers. Sometimes it works very well, sometimes it goes to **** in a handbasket very fast.

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Re: Replacement for the Rebel Armed Landspeeder

Thanks for the link to the pic of the Speeder. I had never seen it before, but now seeing it, like it more. I definately prefer it to the speeders shown on Naboo which are used a bit in Galaxies. The one in the pic looks more rugged somehow than in game.

I use the gun on this speeder a lot, but it's primarily a multi-troop transport. It would be best used if the pilot would wait a bit to pick up a few guys, then head to destination. A flag can be captured quickly that way.

As to how much things get used, that depends on whats going on. At times, the AT-ST will sit unused and the same for other craft.

So I'd say keep the Speeder. But, having something similar for rebels to use against the AT-ST? I seem to have this idea that a lot of what the rebels use, are old almost thrown away things that the Empire developed or have new versions of. That being said, there's a whole slew of walkers or other vehicles from the Clone Wars era that probably now would be for sale at Watto's junkyard. So would it be possible to get an AT-RT? And since they only hold one pilot, then 2 AT-RT's to every AT-ST?

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Re: Replacement for the Rebel Armed Landspeeder

The Speeder isn't really there as a Rebel vehicle.  It's down as a civillian craft and both sides use them (imp home base spawns them on Ryloth).  However, I like the design and loadout of this new vehicle.  Possibly it could be put in the mod, however it would have to wait for those maps we do where there isn't much info on what vehicles are used in the fighting in Lore sources, as it looks like it wasn't used for many large battles.

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Re: Replacement for the Rebel Armed Landspeeder

I think we should keep the combat speeder, but the speeder you showed looks nice.  I think that it should not replace the combat speeder on very many maps.  Especially Mos Espa because it the rebels quickly trying to defend a city, and they wouldn't have a attack craft.  But I really like the look of that vehicle, Possible it could be used,if it's made, in new maps.

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6 Reply by FSDev| TALON (edited by FSDev| TALON 2009-02-08 11:42:40)

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Re: Replacement for the Rebel Armed Landspeeder

Yeah, I have seen this before it is an old classic from the SW Roleplaying Game days (The Freerunner also comes from this source, there are a few nice craft from that period that we could mine for vehicle ideas in the future should we need them, I tend to prefer them to the new vehicles created for more recent video games). I like it, it is basically pretty much a Snow/Airspeeder in regards to weaponry and design but for the ground. As people have already mentioned the Armoured Landspeeder currently in use is supposed to be a civilian speeder comandeered by Rebel forces. The ULAV would pretty much perform the same function as the current Armoured Landspeeder (though it wouldn't be able to carry extra passengers like our current vehicle), so there wouldn't be much point in introducing it other than to make the Rebels have a specific vehicle for the task rather than local craft which could be worth doing, restricting the current Armoured Landspeeder to Tatooine and similar city maps.

You mention that it doesn't get used much currently, but a big part of the Armoured Landspeeder's purpose is as a rapid deployment transport, so getting from A to B is kinda one of it's functions, in addition to this if used right it is also a powerful weapon. So it is up to people to use it as they see fit. It is their loss if they don't use it to it's full potential.

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7 Reply by SnakeTheFox (edited by SnakeTheFox 2009-02-08 18:00:34)

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Re: Replacement for the Rebel Armed Landspeeder

Well I would imagine it being used more for those Battlefield classic 'land grab' type maps, where each side starts with one base and has to capture and hold points scattered across the map, rather than the attackers/defenders layout of a lot of the maps.

While I enjoy the 'insurgent' feel of a lot of the maps, I think some are in need of a full-on assault type vehicular combat setting (some already are), and this vehicle would/should counter the AT-ST in that regard, while still being a different vehicle and offering variety.

Maps like Tatooine probably wouldn't benefit from it, of course. But maps like Rhen Var Facility (I think that's the name) would surely benefit from it, as would possibly Null Sensor Station.

If there's ever a huge, open plains-type vehicular combat map, I think this vehicle would fit-in perfectly.

Just my opinion of course, but the current Rebel Landspeeder seems a little out-of-place in certain scenarios, that I think the ULAV fits perfectly.

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